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I follow him on YouTube and I have a aquarium co op forum account. my name is the same on both accounts.

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I'm not on that forum because it seems fairly YT-channel unfriendly (something I might start eventually), but welcome to the forum irregardless! There's a lot of good information in people's brains here, so feel free to ask questions and post here as well! There're a lot of good answers waiting for ya!

 

I am not on that forum, but I am subscribed to both co-op YT accounts

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Not a fan of Aquarium CO-OP- at all.
I find Aquarium CO-OP's push for selling a "med trio" ( the indiscriminate use of antibiotics on ALL fish in quarantine) is extremely irresponsible. With what we know about antibiotic resistance, it would seem more hobbyists would take pause in treating fish with an antibiotic ( in this case, erythromycin) in quarantine when there are no active symptoms indicating an antibiotic is necessary. Erythromycin is an antibiotic actively used in the treatment of some very serious and deadly conditions in humans, to use it the way that Cory recommends is a direct threat to those individuals that may need this drug to be effective for them in real life or death situations.

Erythromycin (E.E.S., E-Mycin, and others): Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Pictures, Warnings & Dosing - WebMD

Find patient medical information for Erythromycin (E.E.S., E-Mycin, and others) on WebMD including its uses, side effects and safety, interactions, pictures, warnings, and user ratings

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Not a fan of Aquarium CO-OP- at all.
I find Aquarium CO-OP's push for selling a "med trio" ( the indiscriminate use of antibiotics on ALL fish in quarantine) is extremely irresponsible. With what we know about antibiotic resistance, it would seem more hobbyists would take pause in treating fish with an antibiotic ( in this case, erythromycin) in quarantine when there are no active symptoms indicating an antibiotic is necessary.

I generally like Aquarium Co-op, but I'm in full agreement that it's irresponsible to recommend routine antibiotics. It seems like most of their practices are based in their (considerable) experience, but there are some things you need to watch out for before you experience them even once. Antibiotics work great... until they don't anymore. It's a huge business risk and a risk to the hobby, as well and human health as you've mentioned. (The human health risk is obviously more serious, but less likely. I think it's nearly inevitable that they will end up with resistant fish pathogens, whereas resistant human pathogens are "merely" a possibility.)

 

Hey all,
Just joined the forum, I am an active poster on the aquarium co-op forum (C.A.R.E.) I am under the user name "James Black" on that forum. I will probably be more of a lurker hear. Anyway anyone else from the aquarium co-op forum or youtube channel?
I look forward to learning from all of you,
cheers!
-James B

Hi James,

Welcome to TPT!
Seattle_Aquarist (aka Roy)

 

Oh yeah, forgot-- you know Cory. Maybe you could get him to answer these questions.

 

I'm a fan of aquarium co-op for a few reasons. His youtube channel is very different from most(all?) others in that not only does Cory have insight as a business owner very different from most hobbyists but he also travels abroad to talk to different people about the hobby including fish farms and folks catching wild fish etc.

I also have fun with what I think of as the 'meta' content. Cory is a business man and he obviously has put a LOT of thought into making his business successful not only for the brick and mortar customers but also for people that know him from his online presence. Watching him leverage that reputation to sell products is a bit of grin. Mind you I don't begrudge him this at all. I would do the same in his situation. But that doesn't mean I'm going to dump my canister filter for a sponge filter, or stick a no clog airstone in my tank powered by a usb powered air pump, etc. And yet, I do buy the products that make sense for me. For instance I am currently using Easy Green in my newt tank and tadpole tank with good results. I also own the med trio. While I don't use it for every fish I bring in, I do keep it on hand incase I need it.

For an aquarium store getting fish from all over the world shipped to them, including wild caught, I can't say I fault him for its use either. I agree it doesn't make sense for regular hobbyists to use it constantly, especially when quarantining and observation is almost always a better and cheaper method.

That said, they are hardly the only people to use and promote antibiotics in fish. In one video of an asian fish farm they mention the use of 'yellow powder' which they buy in literal barrels and use to treat giant troughs of fish. They use so much the water itself turns yellow. When they do unboxing videos you sometimes see water that is died yellow from the 'yellow powder'. Well that yellow powder is nitrofurazone.

 

I'm a fan of aquarium co-op for a few reasons. His youtube channel is very different from most(all?) others in that not only does Cory have insight as a business owner very different from most hobbyists but he also travels abroad to talk to different people about the hobby including fish farms and folks catching wild fish etc.

I also have fun with what I think of as the 'meta' content. Cory is a business man and he obviously has put a LOT of thought into making his business successful not only for the brick and mortar customers but also for people that know him from his online presence. Watching him leverage that reputation to sell products is a bit of grin. Mind you I don't begrudge him this at all. I would do the same in his situation. But that doesn't mean I'm going to dump my canister filter for a sponge filter, or stick a no clog airstone in my tank powered by a usb powered air pump, etc. And yet, I do buy the products that make sense for me. For instance I am currently using Easy Green in my newt tank and tadpole tank with good results. I also own the med trio. While I don't use it for every fish I bring in, I do keep it on hand incase I need it.

For an aquarium store getting fish from all over the world shipped to them, including wild caught, I can't say I fault him for its use either. I agree it doesn't make sense for regular hobbyists to use it constantly, especially when quarantining and observation is almost always a better and cheaper method.

That said, they are hardly the only people to use and promote antibiotics in fish. In one video of an asian fish farm they mention the use of 'yellow powder' which they buy in literal barrels and use to treat giant troughs of fish. They use so much the water itself turns yellow. When they do unboxing videos you sometimes see water that is died yellow from the 'yellow powder'. Well that yellow powder is nitrofurazone.

What do you use the erythromycin for that he recommends using in trio?

 

Welcome James . I am on the CO-OP forum as well . I am Leeatl like here . You seemed to have inadvertently opened a can of worms . I am concerned with the comments on the med trio as I have used it on QT fish and have some on hand for future use , but I am going to have to rethink and research the subject going forward .

 

So I just want to touch on prophylactic quarantine, this is a post from the saltwater side of the hobby from one of the Big People in the hobby:

Chemoprophylaxis vs. Observational Quarantine

Preface: There has been much controversy over Chemoprophylaxis vs. Observational Quarantine in our hobby. The purpose of this article is to discuss the best practices for implementing both techniques, and to weigh the pros & cons of these two different methods of quarantining saltwater fish...

humble.fish

I am generally in agreement when it comes to treating with antibiotics to prevent superbugs, which is why if you're going to use an antibiotic, then you need to finish the recommended course out. Given that I work with fish and breed them, prophylactic treatment is going to be what I end up doing. However, I will also be working on figuring out as many ways to not use medication as possible (ex. tank transfer method to handle ich and velvet as opposed to putting fish in a copper bath). Disease doesn't seem to be as prevalent in the freshwater side of the hobby as the saltwater side for some reason, but

 

This author is responsible enough to not include antibiotics in his recommended quarantine protocol.

 

I used to work as a nurse and also have friends who changed from vet tech to nurse (usually because they thought their human patients at least would not bite them; boy, were they ever wrong) and I can assure you that aquarium med use of erythromycin is much less of a problem than the use of the same antibiotics, and others like it in chickens, and other so called food chain animals, especially by countries like China, and in farms operated by them. I don't believe Cory of Aquarium Co-Op is the "main cause" of antibiotics resistance in gram-positive bacteria; the use in agrarian farm animals, and the over prescription of antibiotics for any minor infection, combined with lack of patient teaching, lack of proper housekeeping in many hospitals, as well as patients who discontinue use before completing the course of antibiotics prescribed are the real problem here, not your LFS's fish tank. I also don't believe this forum is the right place to ambush members in this way, and that a minimum of civility and decorum should be displayed here to keep this forum a place where information can be exchanged without degrading into personal attacks.

 

Welcome James! I'm not on the Co-Op forums, but I do love me those 2 hr long fish streams. I was hoping to go to Aquashella in dallas this year, and maybe get some co-op merch signed, but doesnt look like that will happen :-(