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60P Epiphyte Forest

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#1 · (Edited)
I originally wanted to start a shrimp tank, so I converted an old saltwater Biocube 14 into a planted tank. Long story short, I started from seeds from Amazon which were likely hygrophila polysperma. I pulled the weeds out and committed the cube to quarantine duty. Here's my 2nd attempt.

Equipment List

Tank: ADA CUBE GARDEN 60P

Lights: Chihiros WRGB II Pro 60

Stand: cheap IKEA shelf, glued together, and bolted to the wall

Substrate:
ADA Power Sand Advance
ADA Amazonia V2

ADA Colorado Sand

Filtration:
Oase Biomaster Thermo 250
Seachem Matrix 2L
CerMedia MarinePure Spheres
Dymax Cystal Glass Lily Pipe Set
UNS Delta Mini Surface Skimmer
UNS 12/16 & 16/22 Double Taps
TWINSTAR II NANO ALGAE INHIBITOR

CO2:
GLA DS-Mini-1 Dual Stage Regulator w/ Solenoid
5LB CO2 Tank
Aquario NEO CO2 Curved Special Diffuser

Driftwood:
Forest Black Wood

Rocks:
Seiryu Stone
Black Lava Rock
Riccia Stone

Once I decide on my aquascape, these are the plants I'm thinking of getting. Let me know your suggestions.

Plants:
Attached to Driftwood/Rocks:

ADA Tissue - Hygrophilia Pinnatifida x 3
ADA Tissue - Christmas Moss x 2
Tissue - Anubias Barteri var. nana petite 'snow flake' x 1
ADA Tissue - BUCEPHALANDRA SP. 'SINTANG' x 1
ADA Tissue - BUCEPHALANDRA PYGMAEA 'GREEN WAVY' x 1


Foreground:
ADA Tissue - Hydrocotyle Tripartita x 2
Midground:
Tissue - Anubias Barteri var. nana petite x 1
Background:
ADA Tissue - Cyptocoryne Spiralis 'Red' x 1

Once my tank is cycled and stable, I'd like to add a few critters.

Livestock:
10 x Green Kubotai Rasbora
5 x Amano Shrimp


I just received my tank today, and this is my aquascape so far.

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This is my overall setup. It's where my 20g saltwater quarantine tank use to be. IKEA shelves are surprisingly sturdy. I'm still waiting on the hanging kit for my Chihiro lights.

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#3 · (Edited)
Thanks @Mr.Submarine! I got all my ADA stuff from Aqua Forest Aquarium.


Question about sand, is it ok to put sand on top of the aqua soil? Would they mix together? Should I wall them from each other?
 
#7 ·
@LidijaPN & @Virtus Is it ok to use the ADA power sand underneath the Colorado sand?
I was thinking about the same issue this weekend and found some older TPT threads suggesting that putting ADA Power Sand under other sand would probably result in the Power Sand rising to the top and the other sand settling below it, resulting in an unsightly mess. I don’t have any firsthand experience with this, though — so please take this point with a huge grain of salt.
 
#9 ·
Basically anything you put on top of anything in a tank is gonna mix... you can do an underlayer of sand and then do a scattering of fine gravel on top to make the transition from hardscape to sand seem more natural... but generally it’s a box full of water, things are gonna mix...

People usually separate different substrates horizontally, with rock barriers or whatever in between, but even so you will have some mixing and will have to invest some effort in keeping it tidy, if you want it to stay tidy...

I’m always stunned at how messy the process of replanting plants is. It could be just that I suck. But when you’re trying to pull up those longer roots, things go everywhere.... and I’m super gentle.
 
#11 ·
I'll leave your plant questions to the real experts ha.

As @LidijaPN said don't cap any substrates you're not okay with eventually mixing. I tried Fluval Stratum capped with sand and didn't even get through the initial fill and planting without basically ruining it. If you do decide to just do sand don't let that deter you from using rooted plants though. There are tons of members here, myself included, who have heavily planted tanks using only inert sand. As long as you're fert dosing the water column you'll be fine. If you're really concerned about it you can add root tabs around the heavily planted areas but the general consensus seems to be it's unnecessary at best.
 
#12 ·
Yeah you can totally plant straight into sand. No problem with that.

Your plant list is cool but beware that tissue cultures can be tricky/ require a delicate touch to grow out. You get a cup of absolutely miniature plantlets and until they grow out a little they’re very sensitive. The good side is you get an absolute mass of plants whereas if you were buying them grown you’d get like 6-8 stems (when I bought my pogo stellatus purple octopus cup there were over 50 plantlets in there) but you have to grow them out from that minuscule size (I wiped out all my pogos with an unwise decision).
 
#13 ·
You get a cup of absolutely miniature plantlets and until they grow out a little they’re very sensitive.
I have some experience. I ordered 3 tissue cultures from BucePlant and received 3 cups of jelly and leaves. They were all flattened due to shipping, and I thought they were all dead. I threw them in some water, let the gel dissolve, and now they look like this (excuse the algae). I hope to have similar luck with my 2nd tank.

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#18 ·
I filled up my CO2 tank, hooked up my canister, and tweaked the scape a little bit.
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Lily pipe hoses are a pain if your tank isn't flush with the stand.
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And my plants arrived this afternoon! They came in better shape than I expected considering they were imported from India. ADA packs their cultures very well. Now to wait until the kids are asleep, so I can have my late night planting session.

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#19 · (Edited)
I started my planting session using ADA Terra Tape to hopefully grow moss and Pinnatifida out of the waterline.
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I found I didn't have enough moss and it's much harder using thread than super glue. Here's the tank fully planted before fill up. I was happy with the results.
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Filling the tank didn't go as well. I didn't weigh the driftwood enough to prevent it from floating which led to some plants dislodging. I used some rocks to keep the wood down until it gets waterlogged. Hopefully that won't take too long. I think the water is a little cloudy because I didn't pre-wash the sand.
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Considering this is a new tank and since I'm using inert substrate, should I still do frequent water changes? I'd rather not disturb the aquascape until the wood gets waterlogged.
 
#23 ·
Considering this is a new tank and since I'm using inert substrate, should I still do frequent water changes? I'd rather not disturb the aquascape until the wood gets waterlogged.
You don't need to do daily, but you should still be changing water at least weekly or semi-weekly. There will still be decomposing organic matter that won't be processed by an immature bio-filter, plus with inert substrate I assuming your dosing and you want to keep those within range. Water changes are always good for several reasons. It doesn't take alot to start algae once you have the lights going.
 
#21 ·
Never heard of terra tape, seems cool? It helps plants attach?
It helps grow plants immersed by wicking water above the waterline.

 
#24 ·
I zip tied more rocks to the driftwood to get it more stable. I'm planning to do a 30% water change tonight.

I finally got my hanging kit for the Chihiros lights, and I'm loving the colors. I don't have to adjust temp setting on all my photos anymore.

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I didn't realize I planted some pinnatifida above the water line. It's near some terra tape and I see the roots growing towards the water. I hope it survives.

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I really like how the anubias barteri 'snow flake' and the buce pygmaea look. I'm excited to see them grow out.

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#28 ·
I promised myself I would keep tech to the bare essentials. I don't even have a thermometer for this tank. However, the gear head in me couldn't help it. I ordered a Red Sea Reefdoser 4 channel dosing pump for ferts and top off.

I still want to keep the tank as clean as possible, so I tried finding a spot that would be minimally invasive. I thought next to the lily pipes would be the best choice, but I didn't realize how beautiful the tank looked when viewed from the side.

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#29 ·
Not much to report on the 60P today. I did however get a new accessory to my very first low tech immersed water feature.
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I had a little pier/dock installed, so I could fish in this 1/4 acre pond. Aside from the aerator, all I have to do is throw some bacteria packets every couple weeks. The fish take care of all the problem algae. I wish my indoor tanks were this easy.
 
#30 ·
I installed a mirrored light hood to the Chihiros WRBGs and new dosing unit over the weekend. The light hood purchase was mainly so I could get free shipping on the hanging kit from FZone, but I actually like it. It's nice to see a reflection from above. I'm not sure if it intensifies the light much, the lights are already plenty bright.

The dosing kit is the Red Sea ReefDose 4. Red Sea makes some solid gear and I liked how easy it was to service the dosing heads. The pretty tube colors and clips also helped. Sadly, those color tubes are 3mm ID/5mm OD and wouldn't fit onto my DIY dosing containers. I ordered some John Guest barb connectors to finish the setup.

The Pinnatifidas seem to be growing fast and coloring nicely. Even the Christmas moss is a nice shade of green. The Buce Green Wavy and Sintang are slow growers, but I see new leaves popping out.


I'm a little concerned about the Anubias barteri 'snow flake'. The roots have grown, but I haven't any new leaf growth. Also, they seem to be covered by diatoms. Do you think the diatoms will be pass on its own? The tank is 2 weeks old, so I'm assuming it's just the cycling process.

I've been dosing GLA's PPS-Pro recipe (2ml macro, 1ml micro) daily. I tested my nitrate levels last night with a Salifert test kit, and it was undetectable. I increased ferts to 3ml macro and 2ml micro today. CO2 drop checker is green at lights on (9am) and near yellow by lights off (5pm). Should I increase ferts even more? Also, I've been doing 30% water changes every 3 days.
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#31 ·
I did a 75% water change a couple nights ago and ended up with what looks like a bacteria bloom in the water column. The plants don't seem to mind it. Pinnatifida growth is speeding up, and I even see new/larger leaves on the Anubias snow flakes. Is 75% too much? I didn't think I'd hurt anything since there's no live stock.



On other news, freshwater Salifert test kits! They do exist. These were delivered from fishtanksdirect.com.

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#33 ·
as long as you dechlorinate?
I use RO/DI water re-mineralized with Seachem Equilibrium. Maybe it's because I pulled one of the canister filter sponges out and replaced it with polyfill last week. It might be doing another cycle because I removed too much bacteria.

Freshwater feels so forgiving when compared to reef tanks, I've gotten a little complacent. You'd never squirt H2O2 directly onto corals to get rid of algae. It's nice not being so gentle with aquariums. Consequently, this why I'm down to 2 corals and anemone. I'm sorta just waiting for an excuse to turn that tank planted.
 
#35 ·
I've been trying to understand how to properly use a TDS meter with the PPS-Pro fert system.

I didn't realize there's different ways to measure TDS. First I needed to measure in µS instead of ppm, and I needed to make sure the tank's TDS stayed under tap water + 90 µS. For me that would be 250 µS (re-mineralize RO) + 90 µS = 340 µS. Each daily dose should add 10 µS which the plants should use up each day. At 4 ml macros + 2 ml micros, I've been dosing way too much. My tank's TDS was at 450 µS.

Last night I did a water change using pure RODI water (5 µS) which brought my TDS down back to 250 µS. I dosed 4/2 ml ferts this morning to determine how much it raised TDS. It was 20 µS, so I'll need to cut ferts down to 2 ml macros and 1 ml micros. Hopefully I'm doing this properly or at least don't hurt the plants.

Unfortunately the bacteria bloom didn't go away, but luckily the plants don't seem to be affected. I'm enjoying seeing the pinnatifida grow so quickly. They appear to be pearling to me, but I'm not if that's just the CO2 building up on the leaves.


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#36 ·
You don't really notice how much plants are growing unless you step away for a few days. After going out of town for the weekend, I came back to what looked like an explosion of pinnatifida. I was thinking of ordering more plants next week, but now I'm not sure if I'll have room. I hear you need to be aggressive when trimming pinnatifida. Would it be ok to trim roots, or is that a no-no?



I didn't know Christmas moss had roots. I was too lazy to break out the DSLR macro lens, but here's a close-up with my iPhone.

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#37 ·
I did my first trimming last night. I was afraid to really cut into it, so I just cut the large pinnatifida leaves. I'm getting diatoms on my anubias and some buce, so I pulled everything out and brushed it off. Also, since the driftwood was completely waterlogged, I was able to remove some zip tied rocks.

I should have paid more attention to maintenance when creating my scape. It's a big pain to get between that driftwood. I sorta wish I started with an iguami scape instead. Hopefully algae won't be a big problem once it matures. I'm really debating on getting one of those Twinstar algae inhibitors. I'm not looking forward to another 2 hour cleaning session.

This is how everything looks this morning.

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#39 ·
Algae is always going to be a challenge with limited plant mass scapes. You probably don't need alot of light since the Pinna is way up top and you have lowlight plants on the bottom. Adding some more plants might help, even some moss covered stones around the base of those branches. I would also consider using carbon in the filter and obviously keep up with large and consistent water changes.
 
#40 ·
Adding some more plants might help, even some moss covered stones around the base of those branches. I would also consider using carbon in the filter and obviously keep up with large and consistent water changes.
I'm really new to planted tanks, and I wasn't sure how plants grew. I thought christmas moss would cover all the wood, but it's seems to prefer growing upward. I'm planning get some weeping moss to cover the rest.

Pinnatifida on the other hand grows so fast, at least compared to other plants I have. I'm actually trying to get it to turn redder, hence the high light and low nitrates. They should shade the low light plants underneath.

I ended up ordering the Twinstar algae inhibitor. I'll try carbon sponges for the Oase prefilter. I prefer less water changes, but it's not really a big deal with double taps on the canister hoses.

My war with algae starts now! :)
 
#43 ·
I dosed 2 ppm of ammonium chloride last week and tested 0 ppm NH3/NO2 after 24 hours. I didn't want to put all that sweet, sweet built up beneficial bacteria to waste, so after a water change I stopped by my LFS.

I picked up 12 chilli rasbora and 3 otto cats. The LFS kept all their fish on city tap, so I had to drip acclimate them to my much softer, CO2 injected water.

All the chilli rasbora instantly hid in the pinna and rocks after adding them to the tank. One otto kept swimming up and down; however, the other pair "schooled" together and started working on the diatom algae. It was lights out after adding the fish, so they had all night to cool down. I dropped lights to 15% and limited CO2 to 4 hours the next day to let the fish get accustomed to the tank. The Twinstar algae inhibitor arrived on Saturday night, so I installed that to hopefully get the fish more oxygen.

The ottos were making quick work on much of the algae, but they didn't touch the hair algae. It's too soon to tell, but I think the algae inhibitor coupled with ottos is really keeping algae in check. I may need to supplement the ottos with algae wafers or vegetables soon. Or pull them out and let them go to town on the Biocube.

I'm so excited to finally have livestock in my tank. I'm even more excited that algae is getting under control. Here are some tank shots.

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