I got a generous RAOK from a local club member of huge mat of UG and fissidens. Catch is, it's ridden with clado. I was thinking of taking the plant emersed and maybe the clad would die? Does clado grow emersed? if not, any suggestions on how to treat clado?
Will clado survived emersed?
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That's a tough one. Clado is resistant to Excel/H2O2, and enough of those or other chemicals to reliably kill it will probably kill the fissidens as well.
I did once manage to kill clado on java moss with Algaefix treatment in a bucket, for three days, combined with blackout. Algaefix won't harm plants, but it's not known as an effective clado killer either. So I don't know if this is a guaranteed method. And at the time I put the moss back in the tank, the clado wasn't visibly affected at all, I just took it on faith that it was dead.
Fortunately it was, but at that time there was no way for me to actually verify that it was killed. It took a week for it to start decomposing. And with heavy H2O2/Excel treatment, it still might take three days to see effect.
So you're in one heck of a situation. Your choices:
1) Risk killing the plants to get rid of the clado
2) Risk a milder treatment and tank infestation
3) Or throw the RAOK out
If you can set up a separate quarantine tank that can be heavily treated, option #2 becomes most attractive; you can toy with the clado at your leisure, trying a variety of treatments and strengths, and still growing the plants in the meantime.
I did once manage to kill clado on java moss with Algaefix treatment in a bucket, for three days, combined with blackout. Algaefix won't harm plants, but it's not known as an effective clado killer either. So I don't know if this is a guaranteed method. And at the time I put the moss back in the tank, the clado wasn't visibly affected at all, I just took it on faith that it was dead.
Fortunately it was, but at that time there was no way for me to actually verify that it was killed. It took a week for it to start decomposing. And with heavy H2O2/Excel treatment, it still might take three days to see effect.
So you're in one heck of a situation. Your choices:
1) Risk killing the plants to get rid of the clado
2) Risk a milder treatment and tank infestation
3) Or throw the RAOK out
If you can set up a separate quarantine tank that can be heavily treated, option #2 becomes most attractive; you can toy with the clado at your leisure, trying a variety of treatments and strengths, and still growing the plants in the meantime.
I heard some people using an army of amano shrimp to deal with clado. Apparently, they'll eat it if you don't feed them anything else.
In my personal experience, I think it does work. At some point, I had an infestation of clado in my tank that forced me to tear down almost everything, stop CO2 injection/ferts, reduce photo period, etc. I do remember leaving some clado that was out of reach, but after a few months, they just disappeared.
I haven't seen them being eaten though, so I can't know for sure if my amano shrimps did help.
In my personal experience, I think it does work. At some point, I had an infestation of clado in my tank that forced me to tear down almost everything, stop CO2 injection/ferts, reduce photo period, etc. I do remember leaving some clado that was out of reach, but after a few months, they just disappeared.
I haven't seen them being eaten though, so I can't know for sure if my amano shrimps did help.
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If clado is wet it will be able to survive out of water.
I've found that peroxide is a very effective treatment for clado if you spot treat it in the tank using a syringe to squirt it directly onto the algae. When you treat with peroxide you'll see streams of micro bubbles coming off the peroxide, that is a sign the algae has been damaged.
I dose peroxide (H2O2) on my fissidens often and it does not harm it from what I've seen. Excel doesn't really seem to hurt it though.
Dark - perhaps your moss died because of the excel? I've seen several threads about moss and how excel harms mosses sometimes on the internet, so that seems more likely to me.
I've found that peroxide is a very effective treatment for clado if you spot treat it in the tank using a syringe to squirt it directly onto the algae. When you treat with peroxide you'll see streams of micro bubbles coming off the peroxide, that is a sign the algae has been damaged.
I dose peroxide (H2O2) on my fissidens often and it does not harm it from what I've seen. Excel doesn't really seem to hurt it though.
Dark - perhaps your moss died because of the excel? I've seen several threads about moss and how excel harms mosses sometimes on the internet, so that seems more likely to me.
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The clado-infested moss was treated with Algaefix only, and the moss was fine; it just took seven days total for visible degradation of the killed clado. I agree with you that Excel would risk moss damage. It was mentioned in the same paragraph only to contrast likely degradation times for killed clado.
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Ahh I see, I wasn't sure if you were dosing H2O2 and excel at the same time on the clad and moss.
I've noticed within 12 hrs of peroxide dosing clado turns gray and then takes about a week to decay away. I'll document this the next time I dose for future reference.
I've noticed within 12 hrs of peroxide dosing clado turns gray and then takes about a week to decay away. I'll document this the next time I dose for future reference.
I answered my own question by looking into my emersed tank LOL I had some clad i got with a c. kota tinggi and it formed like a wirey green ball. But it was very simple to remove. Clado grows in emersed but nowhere near as well as it does in submersed culture and grows in long clumpy strands.
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haha yea the ug in there grew like crazy even with the clad infestation. I only started out with a few plugs and it ended up covering pretty much the whole tank. Also any luck with those fry you found? I never realized there were any in that tank...I wonder how many ive killed while doing water changes/tearing down that tank...CPDs are now in a tank with rasboras espei so i dont think ill be seeing anymore fry haha
There is actually about 4 of them. I'm putting in hikari first bites and decapsulated brine shrimp eggs but i think those are still too big. Hopefully they'll survive on the microorganisms and such until they're big enough for commercial food. what other fish did you have in there? besides the CPD's i think i saw a yellow fish? was it a guppy?
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naw just a lone gertrude blue eyes that I have away a while ago. The CPD's were the only fish in that tank basically so if theres fry they are CPD fry. Man I wonder how many times they spawned in that tank...fry's probably died from me not noticing/feeding em and from me sucking em up during water changes. Goodluck with raising the fry!
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