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Design for Shrimp: http://www.alphaprobreeders.com/products/"Fluval-Ebi,-nano-shrimp-habitat-.html
Design for Plants: http://www.alphaprobreeders.com/products/Hagen-Fluval-Flora-7.9g-Aquarium-Kit-.html

Hello! I am looking into purchasing one of these tanks and it will be a heavily planted tank, with a large amount of RCS as well. Which one should I purchase and why? Thanks for your help!
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Blue Falcon
They are basically the same tank. Only difference is the fluval flora for plants comes with a small CO2 system and tongs while the ebi for shrimp comes with a shrimp net and shrimp food. Substrate is pretty much the same too. I would only get the flora for plants if you wanted to do CO2 injection. Other than that, both setups will house shrimp and plants.
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if that's the breakdown, I'd totally go for the planted one. The fluval food isn't even supposed to be that good, and a net is just a net. co2 is definitely worth it. Since you're only keeping RCS, it shouldn't be too much of an issue.
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pejerrey
What? After all that long thread about how to keep CRS?
Is this a second tank?

-I would also get the one with co2 for the same reasons stated above.

Question:
Why do you want RCS if you can keep their relatives Supreme Red that need the same and breed as much?


Speedie sells them for $3!
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I misspoke, I will be using this tank for CRS, and it will be heavily planted. I'm assuming that means I will need CO2... Can anyone give me a short rundown on what I would need for that and how it works? (New to planted aquariums)
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Nubster
There's a whole section dedicated to that.

CO2 also mean ferts, so read up on those.

CO2 and ferts means you may need to do something about lighting, make sure to read up on that too.
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Will the one light it comes with be enough to light a heavily planted tank? Sorry about the RCS and CRS confusion. :(
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I could purchase the one with substrate for shrimp that comes with shrimp stuff and add the CO2 kit and the price would be about the same as the plant based one. Would that be smarter?
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Can I have a heavily planted tank without the use of Co2 and fert? It sounds like using CO2 means needing fert. How much do I really need the CO2?
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A high tech planted tank and shrimp keeping will be a challenge. There's a reason why fluval markets two separate kits. Many people ditch the soil, the co2 kit is okay for beginners but most move on to paintball or full co2 tank setups after they realize how limited and expensive the 88g kit co2 is. The food is fine as a treat but certainly not as a staple. The only saving grace in the kit is that the lamp is 13w which is considered medium light, which helps to limit co2 consumption, making the 88g co2 actually suitable for minimal plant growth. You can see how limited things are kept to make the kit easy for beginners. Don't be fooled to think you'll get the same insane amount of plant growth as you would out of a full fledged co2 regulator rig.

These appear to be little kits designed to be limited. I'd take the eheim kit over the fluval any day. Better filtration, lighting and beautiful tank... Overall a better starter kit.

You don't need any co2 to have a densely planted tank. Check out then low tech sub forum.
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I would say the tank would be moderate-heavily planted at best after viewing the plants. As for the shrimp, I am hoping to keep as many as possible. Would the mini CO2 kit, mixed with the Shrimp Tank Kit and dosing fert when suppose to, will I be fine? Will I definitely need the CO2? As for the Eheim tank you are describing, I have no idea where to find it, googled it and got lost in filters. :)

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So, If the tank was heavily planted with hardy, low-light plants, CO2 wouldn't even be needed?
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If your main goal is breeding shrimp, keep the setup simple with lower light and plants that would survive in low light. Moss is the plant of choice for shrimpers. I googled eheim tank and got several sites on the first page where you can buy it. Amazon was the 4th hit and the aquarium is called the aquastyle
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acitydweller
http://www.eheim.com/en_GB/products/aquariums/nano-aquarium

If you look past the three Germans, the tanks are behind and below.

I only use co2 in one of my tanks but all my tanks are overgrown and densely planted. If you used a real co2 setup in a nano, it's quite common for owners to do weekly plant trimming. Not sure if you were aware of the maintenance and time required. It soon becomes more work and less of something you enjoy.
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pejerrey
beginnertoshrimp said:
Can I have a heavily planted tank without the use of Co2 and fert? It sounds like using CO2 means needing fert. How much do I really need the CO2?
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I have a shrimp tank with co2 and one without. But to start I strongly recommend no co2, therefore low light:
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