Whats up with the bettas?

@Dman911 very true, I also thought it was strange how there is no law, and im not giving an opinion on this as I don't have one, on the amount of a certain fish you buy.
Like tetras, why isn't there a law saying "well since its a schooling fish, only can purchase sixe or more" for example, now I have an opinion, I don't like that because if you have a huge school and you want to add 1 for whatever reason, then your screwed kind of. But I get the concept of it which is good, but pros and cons, for serious hobbyists cons take over pros.
They have that law with Chickens now, six or more. I have like 30 chickens not including ducks and I went to Tractor supply, couldn't buy 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5 , but you could buy six. its a law for chickens because they flock or school...
Confusing! I get that law though because if your daughter goes out and buys a baby chicken just for easter, then chucks it the next day now what. your death rates of chickens increase. 100 percent love your idea though, its not a "kit" if it doesn't contain the things a fish needs to live. Including spot on water quality.

Yande! said:

"Anyone else have any advice or opinions? we got a lot of comments so far(lol)."

Well you asked..

As a Newbie, You sure scared me off from commenting, even asking!! Especially after reading that other thread taht I read, that you ripped into.. "Fin rot or just ripped fins.."

Think I'll head to another forum!! "Wannabee Guru's," "Bullies" such as this are a major turnoff in any forum, especially, for newbies such as me.

It's a shame we are all not that smart or experienced as he. Movin' on..

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While I understand where you are coming from TBH sometimes the blatant cold hard truth often is much more effective at getting the severity across. Sugar coating it may actually be doing more harm than good. This forum is one of the best out there and has tons of very knowledgeable people so its a shame that you feel pride is more important than info and I do not mean that disrespectfully at all, some people can handle criticism better than others. Sometimes heated discussions happen over facts and opinions but its this very process that leads to better understanding and more knowledge of everything being discussed. If you ask a question its unlikely you will get ripped into by any members in my experience unless you have knowingly done something someone considers offensive in one way or another or you are giving what some consider misinformation. Even at that there is knowledge to be gained. Fear of criticism will always exist and that in itself is a shame because it helps everyone learn not just the people discussing it.

Dan

What I've learned through the years on being on forums is that many people *DO* care, just not everyone is good at expressing it in a friendly manner. I mean, does every single post need smilies to come across as friendly? Some people are just better at handing out the honey instead of the vinegar. Myself, personally? I just piss people off without even trying to... lol Even when it's over the *SAFETY* of the animals! Provide facts and information that isn't even rude in nature, and people still get pissed, block/ignore me and leave. That kind of reaction though does spark a nerve, and hopefully, with any luck, that person is more willing to do research once they've calmed down.

For me at least, the last thing I want to say to someone is "I told you so", but I have had people tell me I was right. Some people thought I was crazy in my suggestions but what I suggested worked?!?!?!?!


I come from a different hobby background though. I could, for the most part, care less about fish! They just don't tickle my fancy! Sure, I like looking at them, but that doesn't make me want to keep them. They are just not my forte. The hobby that I do come from though has some of the same issues as fish keeping does! Too small of enclosures, inadequate diets, an unhealthy environment (be it bad water, or bad air!), and so many more issues!




(in regards to fish)


In most circumstances, I feel as if a 10 gallon is the smallest that most people should go, even for tiny shrimp. My boss has a female betta in a 3 gallon. She did do some research at least, as the betta has a heater and a filter. I managed to snag a somewhat larger tank (sold as a 3 gallon, seems closer to a 5.5 gallon, but one in store that looks exactly the same being sold as a 6.6 gallon tank?) and that may become the female bettas new home. Although not a 10, still better than a 3! Just gotta convince her to get live plants for the new tank. The 3g did have live plants, but then they were switched out for fake ones and trying to get her to go back to live ones. (boss doesn't quite understand the importance of plants and how they are better than fake... but she's willing to learn!)


When people are passionate about a subject, things do tend to get heated, unfortunately. Still, a lot could be learned from a good debate from opposite fractions that may not be learned otherwise.

@BettaBettas
Im not trying to be rude here, but I think you should refrain from answering questions about illnesses if your response is going to be linked to google, and have sections copy and pasted. People are looking for what someone has done to fix the illness, not what some random internet site says will work. They came to the forum for a reason. If they wanted google, they would google.
Also, you do come across as arrogant in many posts, you are fairly new to fishkeeping yourself (Multiple bettas and a gourami in a 10g). I have seen some things that I disagree with you on, but I don't rip into people, especially when they are new.
Also, how have you racked up 1800 posts in 7 months? I have been here for 1 and a half years and only have 1300. Quality, not quantity.
The forum title means nothing @Yande! I could post garbage on every thread and be a guru in a month, some of the smartest people on this forum have few posts, while some who don't know what they are doing have many more.

sohankpatel said:

@BettaBettas
Im not trying to be rude here, but I think you should refrain from answering questions about illnesses if your response is going to be linked to google, and have sections copy and pasted. People are looking for what someone has done to fix the illness, not what some random internet site says will work. They came to the forum for a reason. If they wanted google, they would google.
Also, you do come across as arrogant in many posts, you are fairly new to fishkeeping yourself (Multiple bettas and a gourami in a 10g). I have seen some things that I disagree with you on, but I don't rip into people, especially when they are new.
Also, how have you racked up 1800 posts in 7 months? I have been here for 1 and a half years and only have 1300. Quality, not quantity.
The forum title means nothing @Yande! I could post garbage on every thread and be a guru in a month, some of the smartest people on this forum have few posts, while some who don't know what they are doing have many more.

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No I understand! ill admit im fairly new to this plant thing, before I came to the forum I had that tank setup and it wasn't better than shi* lol! not afraid to admit that. If you (or anyone else) thinks im doing something they thing is wrong shoot me a pm and ill be happy to address that issue that someone has with me. Thank you for telling me this though, reason I do post thinks is to increase the effort (which is lacking now it appears) in researching, and I know this forum is Apart of that research, and its probably the best place to go for assistance. but with some things, common sense can solve. No one apparently read my backstory though about why I had that betta and gourami, I had an arson fire and the only thing I owned was the socks on my feet and the boxers i was wearing and they lived so I couldn't afford a tank, I had to cram them and for a temporary home they where fine, they lived until age got them. One gourami died to age, the betta died to age (he was 5 years old, oldy!), I sold the 2 gourami's to someone who could give a better life to them in the mean time.
This is what I mean though, you didn't know I had a house fire, you didn't know the reason I had done that. I knew of fish way before I came here I was just getting into the plant thing. All the fish I have had except for the corys I now own have been my fish from years ago in a house fire. Outdoor tanks, long ago. I don't know if I agree about the arrogant thing though. Im pretty sure I just come off as rude to some people because they read it that way, im stating things. And if I ask something, and someone gives me half that answer, im going to ask why not give me the other half. And why does it matter how much I have posted? You make it sound as I have always posted such link? I admit I do so but as well I give my own experience and information on some if not considered most.
All those posts i have consisted of these things/items:
Helping
Stating
Having long conversations you can see on journals
my own journal
pictures on the photo forum
going through old journals from 2012 and saying "wow that's a fine tank!"
Helping someone no one else helped in this thread http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/33-plants/1141378-input-carpet-plants.html#post10035786
asking questions
etc, the above is a magical realm called "Research"
That to me is an unnecessary thing to "go after" your pick pocketing IMO now at worthless arguments. Now im not trying to go at anyone here but as yan. said about the guru thing, that's senseless to me, I don't care about titles?? who said I did? what kind of argument is that of which you (not directly you) are holding?
Thank you for telling me this sohankpatel, I do hope you reply to this so I can further understand your concerns for my writings.
Nate

sohankpatel said:

@BettaBettas
The reason I mention post count is because when I first started, I had a tendency to follow what those that had a high post count said. I thought that a high post count meant that someone knew what they were talking about. Also, necro-posting (Posting on old threads) is considered bad forum etiquette on many forums.
Post count was a pretty worthless argument, I admit to that.
Thanks for keeping this civil.
I think I remember something about your house fire back in September. Did you end up finding who did it?

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Thank you very much @sohankpatel for understanding what I was saying, in the manner I meant for it to be in. And thank you much more for asking about my house, no. We knew who did it hours after the fire. He was on drugs at the time he burnt my house down, killing all the animals I own and priceless family items. (long story), When he was running away my neighbor had a gun draw with him, and my neighbor shot him in the arm of which he held his own gun. Making his arm almost completely detach. He never went to jail but yet is living the life right now, at his moms house. I would bet my life he will never go to jail.
Regarding the post count statement, when I left those comments, I was doing research. Reading journals from long ago, any date really, to see what other people did to their own tanks (specifically dutch) to make them better in some sort of way. Thought even though it was a long time ago, I could leave a generous comment without being bashed, while updating it so other people can realize that this journal or thread has good information in it, go check it out its something I (being the person) haven't not seen before on here or anywhere else! basically, promoting the forum with quality information which has been forgotten, one of the biggest journals on here and Im sure some people know this, is this guy from india, who built an indoor pond basically that was I think 750 gallons, planted it with all sorts of plants making it lush! took him a year I think or more to make (cant remember exactly). Why do I mention this? because its proof I learned from it and so can other people.