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Just like the title says, what are parameters supposed to look like for the duration? So Im working on a 40g tank, I basically transferred everything from my 29 to the 40. Transferred filter for bacteria, but I also added a fluval 206. I started the tank on 4/22, added TSS on 4/25. It's got some corys and tetras. Everyday I was getting across the board zero readings, and today I got 0-0.25ppm for ammonia, 0.25ppm Nitrite, and 10-20ppm Nitrate. I read a lot about TSS and was sure it'd work. I'm still sure it'll work, just looking for reassurance. I'm assuming/hoping levels will drop by tomorrow. I was informed NOT to do any water changes for 14 days unless parameters get out of hand, then dose some more TSS. Thank you!
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I don't want to get into a big debate on this but my personal opinion of TSS is "snake oil in a bottle" The reason you are seeing the reading you are is because you transferred your filter to the new tank. My opinion



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Could not agree more. I had a Fluval 206 filtering my 10 gallon for a while. Upgraded the 10 gallon to a 20 gallon. All new substrate. Used the same filter with media and all on the 20 that was on the 10 and was instantly cycled. No "snake oil in a bottle" needed at all [emoji16]


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I don't want to get into a big debate on this but my personal opinion of TSS is "snake oil in a bottle" The reason you are seeing the reading you are is because you transferred your filter to the new tank. My opinion

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The thing is, the filter that I transferred wasn't completely cycled. That's why I wanted to add TSS, to "make up" for the remaining needed bacteria. Do you feel the same about all bottled bacteria?(seachem stability and so on) I figured it was just another product, but have read many good reviews of people using it on a fresh tank, unlike mine- Filter partially established, substrate, etc. At what parameters should I do a water change? I'll most likely redose a bit of TSS just to be sure.
Edit: Just found a bottle of microbe-lift Xtreme. It removes Ammonia and detoxifies Nitrite. Would I be able to use this, or will removing the ammonia kill my cycle?
 

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If you ask me keep ammonia below .5 and nitrates below 40ppm if they reach these values do a 50% water change is a rough guideline that I feel is appropriate. Never used that water conditioner but I would recommend using seachem prime as it has an established reputation. Depending how you do your water changes you can treat the water before you add it to the tank only treating the volume your adding before adding it to your tank. If you are using a python or water changer to fill the tank directly treat for the entire volume of the tank. PH has an large effect on the toxicity of ammonia and water temp will have an effect on the dissolved o2 in you tank. I try to avoid adding a concoction of different chemicals to my tank and find them more often than not to be unnecessary and possibly harmful. Some additives can reduce the oxygen levels etc. Prime can do this at high concentration's but it don't let that worry you as it was just an example. Unless you have a high PH I would just do water changes at the max. levels stated above you can do more if you like but make sure you treat the water and continue until you are only reading nitrates then 10-30ppm nitrates would be ideal I shoot for 20ppm ish for planted tank.

What is your PH (highest if using Co2) and tank temp?

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If you ask me keep ammonia below .5 and nitrates below 40ppm if they reach these values do a 50% water change is a rough guideline that I feel is appropriate. Never used that water conditioner but I would recommend using seachem prime as it has an established reputation. Depending how you do your water changes you can treat the water before you add it to the tank only treating the volume your adding before adding it to your tank. If you are using a python or water changer to fill the tank directly treat for the entire volume of the tank. PH has an large effect on the toxicity of ammonia and water temp will have an effect on the dissolved o2 in you tank. I try to avoid adding a concoction of different chemicals to my tank and find them more often than not to be unnecessary and possibly harmful. Some additives can reduce the oxygen levels etc. Prime can do this at high concentration's but it don't let that worry you as it was just an example. Unless you have a high PH I would just do water changes at the max. levels stated above you can do more if you like but make sure you treat the water and continue until you are only reading nitrates then 10-30ppm nitrates would be ideal I shoot for 20ppm ish for planted tank.

What is your PH (highest if using Co2) and tank temp?

Dan
Just tested my water, looks pretty good. Ammonia is 0-0.25ppm, Nitrite is 0ppm, and Nitrate is around 20ppm, maybe a bit less(or more..) My temp is 78F, and Ph is 7.4-7.6. I'll lower the temp to 74 due to my Cory cats, I just have it raised to help the bacteria. If using the python for water changes, it's safe to put tap water right into the tank as long as you dose for however much water you remove?

 

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Just tested my water, looks pretty good. Ammonia is 0-0.25ppm, Nitrite is 0ppm, and Nitrate is around 20ppm, maybe a bit less(or more..) My temp is 78F, and Ph is 7.4-7.6. I'll lower the temp to 74 due to my Cory cats, I just have it raised to help the bacteria. If using the python for water changes, it's safe to put tap water right into the tank as long as you dose for however much water you remove?

74-76 is probably good not sure what type of corys you have. If you are using a python you need to add water conditioner before adding the water and treat the entire tank volume, so in your case you will need to add enough water conditioner to treat 40g before filling with the python. With those numbers your at most a week out from being cycled provided you don't change all your filter media or do to much tank cleaning. I would leave the maintenance until after the tank is cycled and then do different maintenance at different times for a few months until its a little more matured. Just my opinion.

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The thing is, the filter that I transferred wasn't completely cycled. That's why I wanted to add TSS, to "make up" for the remaining needed bacteria. Do you feel the same about all bottled bacteria?(seachem stability and so on) I figured it was just another product, but have read many good reviews of people using it on a fresh tank, unlike mine- Filter partially established, substrate, etc. At what parameters should I do a water change? I'll most likely redose a bit of TSS just to be sure.
Edit: Just found a bottle of microbe-lift Xtreme. It removes Ammonia and detoxifies Nitrite. Would I be able to use this, or will removing the ammonia kill my cycle?
I've used TSS would good results with a fishless cycle. Saw a full cycle in about five days. Pay close attention to the expiration date and avoid it if it may have been exposed to freezing temps.

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