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I don't really know yet if i want to go snail free or not. So far i have been lucky that i never got any snails, even tho i saw a few baby snails a few days ago, but they disappeared since in my 55 gal.

I am still debating if i should put some in with the shrimps or not, but that will be decided in time. If it is a benefit for the shrimp and the tank itself, i might consider getting some.

Right now i am just waiting for the tank to clear up and clean up and for the other 2 wooden pieces to finally sink :)

Thank you for your infos, i really appreciate that!
 

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Don't do water changes as you're cycling your tank.

Since it will be for shrimp, even once the tank is cycled, you'll want to continue adding ammonia for a week or two to allow time for a nice biofilm build up. 4-6 weeks of total "cycling" time is usually a great idea for shrimp.

Snails are a good thing in shrimp tanks. Babies eat the goodies left behind/that grow on snail slime trails, snails eat leftover food, they clean the glass.
 

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While you're 'cycling' - you may have to test every day to see how much ammonia you'll need to add in order to continue building up bacteria.

Snails are up to you. Could go with Ramshorns, Pond Snails, Apple Snails, Bladder Snails, Nerites, et al. If you're currently adding ammonia for the cycle, I wouldn't add them until your tank is ready for shrimp.
 

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I'm not adding any ammonia, wanted to let the tank run for about 4 weeks before I do anything. Any snail choice better for shrimp than other? I kinda like the nerites
Testing the water daily seems like a waste of the water test or am I wrong? I mean I know its not ready yet anyways..
 

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I'm not adding any ammonia, wanted to let the tank run for about 4 weeks before I do anything. Any snail choice better for shrimp than other? I kinda like the nerites
Testing the water daily seems like a waste of the water test or am I wrong? I mean I know its not ready yet anyways..
You've got a good start here! Any thought about the shrimp you would like to eventually add?
I think the snail choice is personal. I also agree that testing daily is a waste of your test kit. I'd let the tank run its course, no need trying to rush things.
 

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i will start with red cherries since they are more forgiving to possibleistakes and because I really like their bright coloration. I know all shrimp are sensitive, that's why I want to give the tank time to cycle to prevent further problems if possible. Since I can't boil the wood, I guessi have to wait for the mold to leave ny itself. The other 2 pieces are still in a bucket and still not sinking, considering now the slate...
 

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i will start with red cherries since they are more forgiving to possibleistakes and because I really like their bright coloration. I know all shrimp are sensitive, that's why I want to give the tank time to cycle to prevent further problems if possible. Since I can't boil the wood, I guessi have to wait for the mold to leave ny itself. The other 2 pieces are still in a bucket and still not sinking, considering now the slate...
I'm excited for you getting shrimps!! :D

if you can't boil the wood.. Do what I did. I literally just put my driftwood in my bathtub and blasted the hottest water I could on it and filled the tub about 1/2 way to try to cover some of the wood. OR boil water and dump it on the wood while its on the tub. Either way should help the mold situation. Especially good that your tank has no inhabitants currently. :) best of luck
 

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Don't worry about the white mold/fungus! It will go away by itself.

AS for snails I would do Rams Horn and Malaysian trumpet snails (MTS). The rams horn will do wonders for the white junk, and will eat algae on the glass, wood and plants, and they won't hurt good living leaves on the plants. They will go after leaves that are dying, so they help with tank maintenance. The MTS stay in the substrate and will keep it aerated and stir up the top 3/4". They will reproduce quickly depending on the amount of extra food in the tank. BUT I found if your feed your fish/shrimp the correct amount the MTS will tend to keep their numbers in check!

Pond and bladder snails have a BAD rep for overpopulating the tanks they are kept in, so use them at your own risk! I try to keep them out of my tanks for that reason! People also dislike MTS for the same reason, but like I said before, I have had good luck with controlling them with the amount of food you feed! Since this is going to be a shrimp tank you will be watching the amount of food anyway, so I would throw in some Rams horn and a few MTS and let them clean the tank for you!

When you can add the snails is pretty much up to you, but I have added them in my tanks anytime during the cycle and I have not ever had a problem. You might want to wait till the ammonia isn't very high to give them the best chance.

As for the Nerite snails I have never used them in Freshwater! They will live in freshwater ok, but they will lay small white eggs all over the tank, and the eggs won't hatch in freshwater, so you have to remove them by hand! To much of a pain for me!

For the wood sinking monapy usually sinks pretty fast, or at least it has for me! If you are going to leave it in the bucket, just make sure to have a rock or something on top of it so it is TOTALLY UNDERWATER! If not it will take longer! Boiling it will help it to sink faster and will also help leach out extra tannins faster, but it is hard to boil sometimes due to the size of the pieces and not having a big enough pot! I use my Turkey Fryer/propane cooker to boil mine, and it has worked very well! Then after I am done I soak it in some bleach water to make sure the fry pot is ready to cook in later on! I don't want a wooden taste in my fried turkeys!!! ;) You can also do as RedseaReefer said above and pour boiling water over the wood in the bath tub, then fill the bathtub up enough to cover the wood and let it get soaked in it! It is easier to drain off the tannin stained water and replace with clean water in the tub! Just MAKE SURE there is NO KIND OF TUB CLEANER OR SOAP in the tub before starting!

Lastly on the whole cycle thing. If you are not keeping a food source for the bacteria to continue to grow while you are waiting to add the shrimp, you truly not going to cycle the tank completely. Really what I am trying to say is that you need to add some kind of food for the bacteria to eat and grow yourself a good colony! The little amount of bio film that will develop on the plants, wood, glass, and substrate won't be much with out something living in the tank or adding ammonia to "fishless cycle" the aquarium! I have NEVER done the "fishless cycle" myself! I at least start with a few hardy fish and snails. Since this is going to be a shrimp only tank I would only add snails! Then feed them just a small bit of food ever day to every other day, till your ammonia readings peak then fall, then your nitrites will do the same, and finally the nitrates will rise when the nitrites start to fall. When your are reading 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites, usually after about 4 weeks you will be shrimp ready.

You may have already have know all of this, but I didn't want to see you add your beautiful shrimp and have them suffer through any kind of ammonia spike!

I hope this helps ya out,
Drew
 

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Thank you all for the advice!

Tried to drill some holes into the wood today and they look like cheese now :) Which is okay, since i have more choices now to stick mosses in the holes to cover it up. They still don't sink tho, so i put them again in hot water and hope they will sink since water comes through the holes... Last resort will be the slate or i might try the boiling thing with the turkey pot (hidden from my hubby, he wouldn't be too happy about that lol)

I've got now by an accident a few snails in my 55 gallon, i guess they are pond snails (?), little round brownish ones and i pulled 2 out and tossed them into the shrimp tank. I also added a pinch of flake food or algae wafer since last week in there, don't know if that really speeds up the cycling? Thought it might... Guess i will check the water in a few days and see, what types of snails i can find around here and add some. Or i just go with the little ones i have and keep the population under control... I will see how it goes... The plants seem to be ok, saw some getting tiny new leaves, so i assume they are happy. Tried to pull some of the mold of today, it looks much better now :)
 

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Weeeee! I got wood number 2 sinking now and added it to the tank. 1 more to go. I also ran some tests again, here the readings compared to the last time

Readings (7-23-13)

pH 7.6
Ammonia 2 ppm
Nitrite 0-0.25 ppm
Nitrate 0 ppm
KH 4 drops
GH 10 drops

Readings today (8-6-13)

pH 7.6
Ammonia 0.25 ppm
Nitrite 5 ppm
Nitrate 5 ppm
KH 3 drops
GH 10 drops

I also added some more Hornwort to the shrimp-tank, stuck it into some of the drilled holes in the wood, let's see how that will turn out.

It still needs big filling plants and more moss, but unfortunately i don't have the budget right now, so i still keep an eye on RAOK's and just wait.

Here a new picture as of today, Day 19:
 

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Looks like things are coming along nicely.

You'll definitely want to keep adding ammonia. Since you'll only be stocking shrimp, you could aim for 1.5-2PPM daily. I.E., your tank should be able to process that much ammonia in a 24-hour period.

That allows you to build a strong bacterial colony to process waste and to develop lots of goodies for the eventual shrimp that will inhabit your tank.
 

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Looks like things are coming along nicely.

You'll definitely want to keep adding ammonia. Since you'll only be stocking shrimp, you could aim for 1.5-2PPM daily. I.E., your tank should be able to process that much ammonia in a 24-hour period.

That allows you to build a strong bacterial colony to process waste and to develop lots of goodies for the eventual shrimp that will inhabit your tank.
Stupid question from my side: How do i add ammonia? Never did such a thing, so that is completely new to me. Was thinking about to move some of my Ghost Shrimp over, but i guess with those water parameters they would be doomed to die right now, right?

I could move some fish from my 55 over if that would help to speed up the process? And then i could move them back when ever the tank is ready for the shrimp?
 

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Not exactly. Go here to read what the fishless cycle is.

You have to provide a food source (ammonia) in order to develop bacteria that "cycle" your tank. Once the tank can process X amount of ammonia within 24 hours with ammonia dropping to 0, nitrite being at 0 and having at least some sort of nitrate reading, then your tank is ready. But read that link above.
 
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