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There is a calculator. Here is the link. The problem many people seem to have is the differences in tanks parameters. Should I choose EI, low/light, PPS because I have XYZ? I am in the process of writing another calculator. I intend to add a wizard to ask these questions and suggest a good starting point to work from. Carlos (Wet) has been a great help with this endeavor thus far. Beyond that the calculator is very helpful and accurate. Where do you start?

You have a moderately planted tank. The plants are rather undemanding. I would start with 1/3 or so of the EI dose to start. Once you see how your plants respond you can slowly reduce that dose until you see a change.

Using that calculator you can choose EI low light weekly. There is another option you can start with. Choose EI daily and dose that amount every other day. It's a little more than you need but won't cause any problems what so ever. I like dosing something every day for several reasons.

The traditional EI method requires weekly water changes. This is important if you choose those doses from the calculator. If you want to modify the water change schedule you can look at the levels that will be expected in this calculator. Our goal here is to maintain a range of nutrients listed in the original post.

So basically, if you're willing to do weekly water changes I would choose the daily dose and use that every other day (more than you need but not harmful). We want to start above that barrel. Then decrease and find that critical point where we see changes. Do we need to reduce doses? Honestly I don't see any reason to. The levels are not toxic to fauna or flora. Is it expensive? Not at all. Do we need this much fertilizer. No, but is there any harm?

The entire point to this method is to supply non limiting nutrients. Then we can work on more important things like CO2 and basic gardening. Nutrients are the easiest part. We can tinker with various levels and argue over other aspects but the fact always remains the same. Just dose enough fertilizers for the plants needs.

Using EI low light weekly or daily dosing using that amount every other day, schedule below, will provide appropriate nutrients for any plants you may have.

Mon Macros
Tues Micros
Wed Macros
Thrus Micros
Fri Macros
Sat Micros
Sun 50% water change (GH booster)

Does this make sense?

This is a good way to look at it.
Even if you under dose, the effects of adding ANY ferts will be positive on growth.

The only question is, are you adding enough to have independence from ferts?
Or are you still adding limiting fert values?

Liebig's law needs brought into the conversation.
This is the entire point of EI/Hoaglands nutrient modified solution, the idea of a non limiting fert routine. Dupla, Tropica both address this as does PMDD.
 

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It is starting to make more sense.

However, where I am getting stuck on now is where I find out how much of each Fertilizer I need to add to make my dosing solution (ideally in grams for a 500ml bottle), while taking into account the information regarding how KNO3 for example also provides some K. I am not even sure where a general baseline of PPM to be looking at?

5-30ppm is a huge range. There has to be some "generalized idea" of where to start, or where in that range has been found sufficient. Also, Do I need to know both my GH and KH? And what is the GH booster?

Am I wrong to be thinking that I will be able to combine all of the Fertilizers (minus the Micros) in one bottle and then pull a few ml's out everyday? Or is there a better alternative that I am not seeing?
5-30 ppm is a large range but it's also where we tend to see optimal plant growth. Some tanks might have 3x as much light, thus they will remove 30 ppm over time slower than 5 ppm which be gone in 24-36 hours in another tank, or fish loads might add some of the Nitrogen demand.

The point of EI is simply add more than the demand from plants even at high light and stem plant type growth. Then good sized water changes.

You can fiddle all day long, but this rarely saves anyone any labor or time. Water. dose dry ferts(unless it's a nano tank or something). You need not fret over a few ppm of NO3.

No method should require such precision.
Take what you might think you'd need for say 2 week,s dissolve that in a bottle, one for the micros, one for the traces.

Dose that.

You can complicate it, but it's actually VERY EASY once you do it for a week or two, after which, it's rather BORING/OLD HAT.

The how: add dry ferts based on tank volume, some common sense for plant load/type, do good sized water change soften.

The why: makes ferts independent for plant growth. Keeps tank nice and clean and less algae.

I think folks just worry a lot is all, they want reassurances they are not making a mistake. Chem and math are not many folk's strong suits and some view these are poisons and the great unknown. So they go on and on trying to get details, but lose sight often times of the basics.

I was no different years ago. I'm the same as most newbie folks posting here, we all were at some point.

I believed I did not need it(CO2 particularly) and tried to do it without. But the reasons and rational put forth, well, I got too curious.

So "the how" was easy.
"The why" was a bit more painful for myself.
That was the biggest mental block I had.

I think seeing other folks adding it helped.
You basically only have to dose 3-4 things and teaspoons work fine.
I do not fret over 3/4" th teaspoon of baking soda when making cookies.
Nor should I here.

Just a simple recipe.

I do not need a ppm at all in fact. Farmers rarely think this way with ppm's etc, they look at their plants. They look at pounds per acre.
Aquarist: teaspoons per gallons.

Less light, less plant biomass etc, slower growers, cut EI by 1/2 or down to 1/3 etc.

Observe and see. Should be fairly simple.
Your goal was to grow nice aquarium plants, gardening etc, not learn chemistry. You will pick that up later as you learn more, but.........I think successful and top scapers tend to be less obsessed with the fert routines and more obsessed with good general care(water changes, cleaning, routine care, trim/pruning, hardscapes etc).

I really do not worry much about the ferts.
I rarely discuss them in presentations and talks these days also.
More light and CO2.

You add ferts, you do water changes.
Pretty simple and straight forward.
 

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THanks,

The calculator tells me to add "this many milligrams" for my tank size. Do I need to bring out the scale every day to measure, since I can't really convert milligrams into teaspoons since the mass of various substances are different??

How do you easily and somewhat accurately dose then? This was a little bit of why I was liking the making of a liquid because I could just pull up a few ml's, and be done.

What about my question regarding the extra minerals that come along with dosing KNO3 for example? Where do I enter into the equation that dosing KNO3 also gives me extra K, for example?
 

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THanks,

The calculator tells me to add "this many milligrams" for my tank size. Do I need to bring out the scale every day to measure, since I can't really convert milligrams into teaspoons since the mass of various substances are different??

How do you easily and somewhat accurately dose then? This was a little bit of why I was liking the making of a liquid because I could just pull up a few ml's, and be done.

What about my question regarding the extra minerals that come along with dosing KNO3 for example? Where do I enter into the equation that dosing KNO3 also gives me extra K, for example?
What size tank do you have? It's easier and more accurate to dose smaller tanks with solutions. Dry dosing is easier for larger aquariums.

The calculator has a teaspoon conversion. In the "and I am calculating for" selection choose "The result of my dose". Then you can enter amounts in teaspoons for the selected fertilizer. The result does not need to match the target exactly, just get as close as you can with the teaspoon sizes you own.

Here is an example for a 10 gallon tank using 500ml and 5ml doses. This is EI daily dosing...

Selecting EI daily says I need to add 19.751 g to the container for each dose to raise NO3 3.2 ppm. So if we want to convert this to teaspoons choose "the result of my dose". Entering 3 3/4 says it will raise NO3 3.16ppm, close enough.

The results of your dose are listed on the right side. i.e.

Element ppm/degree
K 2.02
N 0.72
NO3 3.20

Forget the nitrogen. The NO3 is a conversion of the nitrogen listed. Notice KNO3 also adds 2.02 ppm of potassium.

If we also dose KH2PO4...

Element ppm/degree
K 0.25
P 0.20
PO4 0.60

We see this adds 0.25 ppm of potassium.

Add the potassium together. 2.02 + 0.25 = 2.27 ppm. The K in KNO3 is usually enough. If you want extra you can add the difference. 3.2 - 2.27 = 0.93 ppm. So you're lacking 0.93 ppm if you want the full dose of K. The EI daily dose of potassium is 3.2 ppm. I wouldn't bother using extra potassium unless you notice problems.

Basically, just total all the elements. It doesn't matter which fertilizer provides it as long as you're doing them.
 

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Thanks for all the great info. This has made my decision about EI dosing easy. I would like to say that many people are not lazy or don't want to put the work in on figuring out a dosing regiment. Like my self I am a hands on learner. Some of us also have demanding jobs, wives, kids and just plain life. We do this hobby to relax and enjoy that one thing we created and can be proud of. I would love more time to do research but my employer says other wise. So does the women who all ready gets put to the side because of work. I'm just greatful that people have come up with these methods to help those that are limited to time for research. Thanks for all the great info.
 

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I have a 29g tank.

These are my Fertilizers:

Potassium Nitrate (KNO3) - 1 lb
Mono Potassium Phosphate (KH2PO4) - 1 / 2 lb
Potassium Sulfate (K2SO4) - 1 lb
Magnesium Sulfate (MgSO4) - 1 lb

So, With the EI dosing, I really wouldnt need the KH2PO4 nor the mgSO4? The calculator has me adding a lot of the MgSO4 (over 200g) when I try entering it, as well the Calc. has an odd entry for mgSo4.

I also have some CSM + B for Micros

Thanks for your time, I didn't even see that part on the calculator, I will look now!
 

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Well, Here is what I mixed into a 500ml bottle to dose 5ml daily, in my 29g. (I will try the every other day since I am not running CO2.

KNO3- 58g
MGSO4- 20g
KH2PO4-10g
K2SO4-30g

Hopefully this is ok. I needed to get some of these into the water to start mixing so I can start dosing some Ferts!

Does this mix look ok?
 

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I have 2 newly set up low tech tanks at the moment(3mo), an all crypt tank and an Anubias, Java Fern and Jungle val tank. Both 20 highs with dual 13w cfl's, root tabs and safe-t-sorb substrate. Should I even bother with dosing EI? I was thinking of only using Flourish comprehensive then I started reading about EI and now I'm intrigued.

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I have 2 newly set up low tech tanks at the moment(3mo), an all crypt tank and an Anubias, Java Fern and Jungle val tank. Both 20 highs with dual 13w cfl's, root tabs and safe-t-sorb substrate. Should I even bother with dosing EI? I was thinking of only using Flourish comprehensive then I started reading about EI and now I'm intrigued.

Thanks in advance.
I started out dosing Flourish products, when I got to looking into EI and adjusted my Flourish products to match EI levels I quickly saw how much more cost efficient it was to move to dry ferts. Plants look great, and their growth is much better than when I just following the directions on the bottle.
 

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^^ Same here. I started with Excel, because no co2. Then I decided I should really have some sort of ferts to add nutrients to the water column, so I added Flourish. My plants were ok, but not great, and I read about how low tech(ish) tanks are often low on Potassium, so I added SeaChem's Potassium. Then I added some red plants, and wanted them super red, but realized I probably should add iron. I was getting ready to buy SeaChem's Iron supplement when I realized how absurd it was getting: 3 different liquids, all on different schedules (some 3x per week, some 2x, some daily), and none especially cheap.

EI is so much simpler. Macros M-W-F, Micros plus Iron T-Th-Sat (so simply alternate daily) and change water on Sunday. It's actually easier to do EI every day than it was to track which liquid I was supposed to do on which date with the Seachem stuff.

Mix new water+dry fert mixes every few months. ~$45 got me enough dry ferts to last me several years. (small tank, admittedly, but even with somewhat larger tanks the SeaChem liquids get stupid expensive fast)
 

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I'm convinced but I would still like to know if my crypts,who are heavy root feeder, will actually benefit from water column fertilizers? If so, I'll be ordering some dry ferts from Green Leaf.
I would imagine they'll benefit, but I'm not sure that it should be used to the exclusion of root tabs, for heavy root feeders.
 

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I'm convinced but I would still like to know if my crypts,who are heavy root feeder, will actually benefit from water column fertilizers? If so, I'll be ordering some dry ferts from Green Leaf.
Name the Crypt, I've likely grown it.
Name the Buce for that matter, same thing, name the Anubias, same thing.

Most all aquatic Ariods.
No issues.
 

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I'm convinced but I would still like to know if my crypts,who are heavy root feeder, will actually benefit from water column fertilizers? If so, I'll be ordering some dry ferts from Green Leaf.
Yes they will. I prefer water column dosing to root tabs. I've never had a problem using only water column dosing. The crypts below (wentii green) had no root tabs and 1/3 EI dosing in a low tech tank. Sorry that's the only picture I have from those. They simply got out of control for that tank which is why they are on the counter.

 

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I'm going to place my order for some dry ferts tonight but have one question..GH Booster, yay or nay?
Sorry I missed your post last night.

It depends on the water you're using. High GH? you probably won't need it. That said, the cost is pretty minimal if you add it to the order (five bucks or so). Adding it now will save the shipping charge which will be more than the item. It never hurts to have extras laying around. You may decide to use R/O for something in the future.
 
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