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Test kits/substrate advice please

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Hi all, 2 part question here:
1. I am planning to set up a heavily planted Fluval Edge 12 gallon soon, and my #1 dream inhabitant is Crystal Red Shrimp. I want to build my supply purchase list around their requirements, so I think the best place to start will be ordering the right type of tests to determine if our tap water is ok or if I need to go with remineralized ro water. Besides a decent TDS meter, do PH & GH test kits cover all I'll need to be concerned with as far as determining if my tap water is decent enough?
2. I keep vacillating between ADA Aquasoil Normal type as a base, capped with powder type for aesthetics, or miracle grow organic dirt capped with blasting sand, and was also recommended Mr. Aqua Aquarium Soil on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Aqua-Aqua...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KM1ACTDNBH4P6XKSH617 Am I correct in thinking that if I choose a nutrient rich substrate, I will be able to get by with less water column dosing and therefore be able to maintain a lower TDS level? If so, which of these 3 substrate options do you think will best achieve this goal, and which do you feel would be the longest lasting nutrient source?
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1. You will need a KH kit too, pH kit is less important, but you probably already have it. The rest is fine.
2. The soil will probably have nutrients for longer, but will not buffer your tank or provide the Ammonia on start up like the Aquasoil does. Not sure on the Mr. Aqua soil but it could be alright? Depending on your parameters you may want an active substrate like Aquasoil (or the Mr. Aqua if it does that too, but IDK really). Also, with dirt you kinda can't do a lot of shifting and rescaping and stuff, cus it will throw a lot of stuff in the water, and shrimp being quite sensitive it may knock em out. I love ADA Aquasoil though so I'm probably super biased in my suggestions hahaha. I would just use one size of the Aquasoil, your tank is pretty small, so you could probably use just a whole bag of the Powder type. Because with replanting and stuff the normal sized Aquasoil will come to the top a bit ruining the aesthetics.
Also, yes with a good substrate dosing becomes a little less necessary. But if you are using CO2, dosing is more or less needed regardless, not so much with low-tech. In low-tech you can get away with infrequent fertilising. The reason why you will still have to dose even with a nutrient rich substrate, is that they don't provide everything a plant needs, usually they lack in K and Micros. But honestly dosing won't really hurt your shrimp, people dose EI levels, whilst breeding shrimp, provided they also do water changes to reset their parameters each week. You can still dose to keep your plants happy and not worry about the shrimp. Stick with a leaner dosing routine if you are really worried about your shrimp (PPS-Pro etc.).


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Have you considered using SL-Aqua Soil?


Agree with Opare, you need a buffering substrate. If your tap water has KH in it (and most tap water does), you need to go with remineralized RO water using a GH+ mineralizer.
1. You will need a KH kit too, pH kit is less important, but you probably already have it. The rest is fine.
2. The soil will probably have nutrients for longer, but will not buffer your tank or provide the Ammonia on start up like the Aquasoil does. Not sure on the Mr. Aqua soil but it could be alright? Depending on your parameters you may want an active substrate like Aquasoil (or the Mr. Aqua if it does that too, but IDK really). Also, with dirt you kinda can't do a lot of shifting and rescaping and stuff, cus it will throw a lot of stuff in the water, and shrimp being quite sensitive it may knock em out. I love ADA Aquasoil though so I'm probably super biased in my suggestions hahaha. I would just use one size of the Aquasoil, your tank is pretty small, so you could probably use just a whole bag of the Powder type. Because with replanting and stuff the normal sized Aquasoil will come to the top a bit ruining the aesthetics.
Also, yes with a good substrate dosing becomes a little less necessary. But if you are using CO2, dosing is more or less needed regardless, not so much with low-tech. In low-tech you can get away with infrequent fertilising. The reason why you will still have to dose even with a nutrient rich substrate, is that they don't provide everything a plant needs, usually they lack in K and Micros. But honestly dosing won't really hurt your shrimp, people dose EI levels, whilst breeding shrimp, provided they also do water changes to reset their parameters each week. You can still dose to keep your plants happy and not worry about the shrimp. Stick with a leaner dosing routine if you are really worried about your shrimp (PPS-Pro etc.).


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Thank you for the info. I haven't ordered test kits yet - do you have a favorite brand for these? Also, with EI dosing isn't a 25% water change each week recommended? If so, would you go with a 10% for 2 days followed by a 5% on the 3rd day so you don't shock the shrimp? I am comfortable and familiar with EI in my old set up. I have been out of the hobby for a while. The dirt mess is a concern for me, since in my old planted tank I was just too much of a fiddler with my plants, always fussing with them until I thought it looked just right. I don't think I have a dirt tank temperament, ;0).

Have you considered using SL-Aqua Soil?


Agree with Opare, you need a buffering substrate. If your tap water has KH in it (and most tap water does), you need to go with remineralized RO water using a GH+ mineralizer.
Thank you for the recommendation! After asking around, I have found a few other hobbyists with experience with this brand who also recommend it, so I think I have finally found a winner!!! I am also going to give their liquid ferts a go, since I'm a sucker for good marketing, and it just makes me feel better having a brand which says it's shrimp safe. Plus, free shipping, and I'm saving money on the soil. I'm excited to have FINALLY made a substrate decision, lol.
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