Tannins and RCS?

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pet-teez

Discussion Starter · Oct 9, 2007

I set up a 20t for two Apple Snails (Magenta Briggs) and RCS about a week and a half ago. I have live plants and Malaysian driftwood in there and even with water changes the water is the color of apple juice still. lol
I have no critters in there yet and wanted to check if tannins are fine for shrimp/snails.
I'm waiting to add the critters until I have a couple more plants set up in there but I have everything else set up.
Thanks in advance

-Cassie

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eon17

· #2 · Oct 9, 2007

yeah its just fine it lowers PH

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bulrush

· #3 · Oct 11, 2007

Are you talking about adding liquid concentrated tannins? Or adding oak leaves? Quickly changing the pH with concentrated tannins will certainly hurt or kill some shrimp. Adding oak leaves will change the pH slowly and will not hurt the shrimp.

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A Hill

· #4 · Oct 11, 2007

bulrush said:
Are you talking about adding liquid concentrated tannins? Or adding oak leaves? Quickly changing the pH with concentrated tannins will certainly hurt or kill some shrimp. Adding oak leaves will change the pH slowly and will not hurt the shrimp.

Reread the post. From what he said its the maylay DW adding tannins still. Which is pretty normal for some people, that driftwood has been known for tannins.

It won't hurt anything but your sense of wow my tanks clean!

-Andrew

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pet-teez

Discussion Starter · #5 · Oct 11, 2007

Thanks Andrew, yeah, I (a she by the way

) said it was the driftwood.
I put in my two snails yesterday and they seem fine, cruising around and "chewing" on the glass and all.
No shrimp yet but eventually they will be added

I just wish I could get the Taiwan moss to look a bit better. It's always something. heh
-Cassie

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A Hill

· #6 · Oct 12, 2007

Well I have gotten busy and hadn't been around a lot, and your username is OH soooo feminine...

As for the taiwan moss, if you want it thicker just trim it:icon_wink

Welcome btw, a bit late ye?

-Andrew

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pet-teez

Discussion Starter · #7 · Oct 12, 2007

I know, my username isn't too feminine but the "-Cassie" should help. hehe
I wasn't giving you guff about it, I was just being silly with a little informative mixed in, I promise.

The moss is turning, uh, less green... right now it's in the 20g tall tank (that I'm talking about in this thread, the snail/shrimp tank) and I have two 27w bulbs in that tank (one over the moss wood and one over the other side. I'm not sure if the amount of lighting is bad or the tannins are upsetting it or what. lol
I had some java moss a number of years ago that would not grow underwater, it just refused... finally I put it in a treefrog tank so that the wood it was on was in water up to the level that the moss left off at and it grew fine. lol

Fish Newb said:
Well I have gotten busy and hadn't been around a lot, and your username is OH soooo feminine...

As for the taiwan moss, if you want it thicker just trim it:icon_wink

Welcome btw, a bit late ye?

-Andrew

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SearunSimpson

· #8 · Oct 12, 2007

It just keep an eye on water hardness and pH with the tannins. Most inverts need a somewhat alkaline pH to help with their exoskeleton after moulting.

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A Hill

· #9 · Oct 12, 2007

Reading fast at night must be to blame.:icon_eek: I should have read your name especially since its there twice lol, didn't take any hard feelings don't worry.

SearunSimpson said:
It just keep an eye on water hardness and pH with the tannins. Most inverts need a somewhat alkaline pH to help with their exoskeleton after moulting.

Actually most inverts commonly kept in this hobby like the opposite, neutral to acidic PH. Many people have problems having too hard water, so they buy ADA AS, Flora Base, RO filters ETC!

As for the moss, give it some time it may be getting acclimated and dieing... but it shouldn't be. Maybe you got yourself some bad moss, because even "dead" moss can pull an act of the extraordinary and like Jesus did (if you believe so) can come back from the dead.

-Andrew

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bsmith

· #10 · Oct 12, 2007

i read somewhere that the almond leaves arent good for rcs... i think it had something to do with the fact that on the almond plant the leaves are poisonus and protect the plant, it is this reason that the leaves make bettas feel better and promotes spawning, but they dont eat the leaves like rcs would.

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southerndesert

· #11 · Oct 12, 2007

Depends on what shrimp....CRS like acidic...RCS little more alkaline.... Indian Zebra more Alkaline yet. Check before ya pick your shrimp and adjust your water accordingly! Many will do well in neutral or slightly alkaline, but when it comes to breeding PH can be more critical. Color will also perhaps be not so bright if in a PH range that particular shrimp doesn't like as much.

I am no expert, but I have CRS, Bee, RCS, Malayan, and Indian Zebra and have studied long and hard on this subject hoping to get it right the first time.

My CRS are at 6.5 to 6.8 PH

My RCS are at 7.2 to 7.6 PH Bee are with the RCS, but at this PH they may not breed well as they like 6.5 to 6.8. RCS are breeding like crazy...

Indian Zebra and Malayan at 7.6 to 7.8 PH

All are healthy and happy.

Bill

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