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Yup. gla uses the co2 version of that reg for their 2-stage model. Unless you want to buy a new one like that, there are considerably better deals out there.
Yup. gla uses the co2 version of that reg for their 2-stage model. Unless you want to buy a new one like that, there are considerably better deals out there.
Are you talking about better deals on used ones? I think this is a good deal as I have seen many other places are selling for $300+ for the exact same item.

So all I need is a CO2 cylinder and Bubble counter, I'm all set, right?
needle valve, tubing, solenoid (optional), cga 320 inlet and nut, and all the parts to connect everything.
Yep, that's a pretty high end regulator and would work fine. Only 2 issues I can see:
#1. The pressure gauge is a bit high: 0-4000PSI. normal CO2 pressures shouldn't ever go above 1000PSI
#2. The CGA nut/nipple is wrong. You'll need a replacement CGA 320, that'll add an extra 20 bucks to the price tag.

Unless you can get this second-hand and really cheap, I'd go with something intended for aquarium use.

CGA 320 nut & nipple, regulator side:
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Negative. You'll need to use a big pipe wrench and thread out the nut/nipple that's in the O2 regulator and thread this part into it, on the "high side inlet"
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Just a little FYI, to keep people from blowing themselves up or blowing regulators up, different gasses have different CGA nut/nipples. Flammable gasses have one style CGA, inert gasses have another, breathing gas uses another, oxygen uses another, C02 yet another, etc. Regulators aren't usually interchangeable between different gasses so to use an O2 regulator on a CO2 tank will take a little bit of work.

(Gasses with similar properties are sometimes interchangeable; for example argon and nitrogen use the same CGA nut/nipple because they are both non flammable inert gasses and filled to similar pressures: 2600PSI).

This is a long winded way of saying, just stick with a rig intended to be used with CO2: that will spare you a lot of hassle. I enjoyed building my regulator, but unless you're pretty handy, I wouldn't mess with re-purposing regs from one gas to another.
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If the oxygen regulator is used, it might need rebuilding. Oxygen is quite corrosive. Check it out.
That's an excellent price on a new dual stage regulator. But, as has been stated, you'll need some extra stuff. A CGA320 nipple and nut ($10 or less at your local welding supply - mine costs me about $7), a solenoid that is rated for continuous use, generally less than 4w or so - $30-55 or so, a decent needle valve - $20-75, and fittings, check valve, bubble counter, tubing, and diffusion method. That last set will cost you $20-200.

Again, yes, it's an excellent deal on a new dual stage reg. But a quality used reg via Evilbay - seriously, just as good as the new reg you have pictured - can cost you 1/4 of that price. So remember that the regulator itself will likely only be a fraction of the cost of the entire rig.

Oh, yeah, plan on spending another $55-75 for a 5lb cylinder.
Standard CO2 high side pressure ratings on gauges are 3000 to 4000. The saftey blow off or burst disc for Co2 tanks are rated well over 1000 so having a correct gauge to go over that is good to have on the high side. Ive seen peoples set up register as high as 1500 to 1800 psi. you would never know that on a 1000 psi gauge as it would be pegged.

To be quite honest.. low side is the more important for our use as long as your using a high side of 3k-4k. Regulators that will do up to 200 psi are about the max spectrum of the range you want to use with the ones that have a working pressure/low side up to 100 are preferred. But if not using an atomizer you can use a set up that has a low side of up to 30 psi.

And there is nothing wrong with building a BETTER rig then any of the pre made stuff out there. if you want budget fine.. but if you want something to last and actually learn something about your Co2 set up then id highly recommend building your own.

and if your spending $20 on a CGA320 nut and nipple your paying to much.

Yep, that's a pretty high end regulator and would work fine. Only 2 issues I can see:
#1. The pressure gauge is a bit high: 0-4000PSI. CO2 shouldn't ever go above 1000PSI
#2. The CGA nut/nipple is wrong. You'll need a replacement CGA 320, that'll add an extra 20 bucks to the price tag.

Unless you can get this second-hand and really cheap, I'd go with something intended for aquarium use.

CGA 320 nut & nipple, regulator side:
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You can get better deals from here from the "Power Sellers"
Thanks to maknwar an others here .

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You can get better deals from here from the "Power Sellers"
Thanks to maknwar an others here .
Huge +1 on that, it's exactly the equipment you need and ready to go without any modifications! :)
Wow, so much good info you guys provided. Thank you.

But I dont have time nor the interest to study on the system. My interest is to have a nice heavily planted fish tank.

I want something plugin and play. Maybe I just go with AquaTek CO2 system save me time and money.
You can get better deals from here from the "Power Sellers"
Thanks to maknwar an others here .
I looked in the power seller special section and currently there is no CO2 system for sale. Should I post a WTB post in there?
Actually right now there is only one seller of co2 systems from the old powersellers left.

Btimmer is no longer selling co2 systems
Maknwar is no longer selling co2 systems
Bettatail has not been active or selling co2 systems for some time now.

The only one right now is Oldpunk.

Other then GLA or the cheapo stuff from aquatech, or miluwakee. While they may work ok they still have their issues.
Guys,

What else do I need to make this a complete CO2 regulator which can be plugin and play?

I need a CO2 tank, Solenoid, bubble counter, inlet and outlet nipple?

http://www.amazon.com/SMITH-REGULATOR-CGA320-SERIES-30-100-320/dp/B0036ZDVNO/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1342989090&sr=1-1&keywords=Smith+CO2+regulator+CGA+320
Are you wanting the parts to build a regulator assembly? This is one way of many to build a post body kit.

1/4" NPT x 1/8" NPT bushing
1/8" NPT regular nipple or hex nipple
female 1/8" NPT x male 1/8" NPT elbow
female 1/8" NPT solenoid (Burkert 6011)
1/8" NPT regular nipple or hex nipple
female 1/8" NPT needle valve (Ideal or Fabco)
male 1/8" NPT check valve with either 1/3, 1/2 or 1 psi cracking pressure
female 1/8" NPT bubble counter

CGA-320 nipple and nut
1/4" OD x 1/8" ID polyurethane or Tygon Lab tubing
bubble counter solution
drop checker
4 dKH solution
CO2 tank
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So what am I looking at in the link? I didn't expect there are that many parts needed for the unit in the link.

How much would all these parts cost? It seems I won't be able to save that much money if I build it myself.
You are looking at the parts needed to assemble a post body kit. There are many ways to build it using a different fittings selection.

I don't know the cost. Some of the choices of parts used are more expensive than others. Like:

  • ADA drop checker verses GLA model verses cheapies
  • Burkert solenoid verses a Parker solenoid verses a Clippard Mouse solenoid
  • Swagelok metering valve verses Ideal needle valve verses Fabco needle valve verses Clippard needle valve
  • ADA bubble counter verses GLA model verses JBJ knockoff

The fittings aren't too variable. You can get them from Lowes, Home Depot, Swagelok, Parker, Grainger, etc. You've priced the 5 lbs CO2 tanks.
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