The Planted Tank Forum banner

Resisting the urge to burn down my house and start over

1020 Views 12 Replies 7 Participants Last post by  Nordic
As if going back on meds and being crapped on in life in general isn't enough already, my new snake brought mites into my collection, my rat has developed mange, and now my fish have both ich and velvet.

I don't know what the hell I did but last week my fish in my 15 gal developed ich severely seemingly over night without my notice despite my watching them for at least an hour most days. The day after I notice this I lose all 6 of my green neons and all my fish are covered. I can just barely get my heaters up to 80 degrees.

I got coppersafe and dosed the tank with that, its been a week and it seems to be working. What i've read on this medication is mixed but mostly says not to use it because the effects are far reaching. If possible can people please tell me for certain what these lasting effects are? There are no inverts in the tank at present but I may want some in the future, will this be possible?

The disease had also cropped up in my 10 gallon tank with pugnax betta, snails, and bristlenose plecos, and 1.5 gallon shrimp tank. What the heck do I do here?

My anxiety level has been off the charts even before this crap and i'm about to lose it. And yes I do go to therapy.
1 - 13 of 13 Posts
You have to practice quarantining, it sounds like.
If your fish died overnight it could be columnaris.
You have to practice quarantining, it sounds like.
If your fish died overnight it could be columnaris.
You could use a 5 gallon buckets for emergencies. You would need a spare heater and a filter though. But I've read that it works in a pinch.
should I use aquarium salt on the tank when i do the water change tonight?

and can i use aquarium salt in my 1.5 gallon with otos, cherry shrimp, and snails? i can't raise the temperature its a preset heater
In the furure, a 30 day quarantine for all new fish will save you a lot of time and effort.

As far as the snakes go, permethrin is your best bet. Spray every three days, just be careful. We have 700 ball pythons, and with the volume we buy/sell it's impossible to avoid encountering mites at some point. A watered down permethrin makes quick work of them.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
In the furure, a 30 day quarantine for all new fish will save you a lot of time and effort.

As far as the snakes go, permethrin is your best bet. Spray every three days, just be careful. We have 700 ball pythons, and with the volume we buy/sell it's impossible to avoid encountering mites at some point. A watered down permethrin makes quick work of them.
the most frustrating thing about the snakes is all my setups are bioactive and planted
I got coppersafe and dosed the tank with that, its been a week and it seems to be working. What i've read on this medication is mixed but mostly says not to use it because the effects are far reaching. If possible can people please tell me for certain what these lasting effects are? There are no inverts in the tank at present but I may want some in the future, will this be possible?
Copper treatments stick around in your tank, not only in the water/substrate but tend to get into the silicone as well. You probably won't be able to keep inverts in tanks you treated with copper, even if you tear the current setup down and reuse the empty tank. Not sure about how they affect filters, heaters etc. Certainly you can't reuse the filter media with inverts.
Where the hell does it say that on the warning label? This is bloody ridiculous, I have to throw the entire thing away? Has anyone have proof of this being the case even after replacing substrate, decor etc?
Well a 10g bn pleco is part of your problem, they produce alot of waste plus the other livestock your certainly are overstocked. This will cause higher levels of nitrates which means weaker immune system and easily to have the fish get sick.

Sent from my SM-N900W8 using Tapatalk
  • Like
Reactions: 2
my 10 gallon only has the 1 female bristlenose, a pugnax betta, and 3 snails. And regular water changes.
Where the hell does it say that on the warning label? This is bloody ridiculous, I have to throw the entire thing away? Has anyone have proof of this being the case even after replacing substrate, decor etc?
Here's a couple suggesting the worst:
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/88-shrimp-other-invertebrates/1075562-copper-contamination.html
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/8...iscussion/129647-best-way-clear-copper-2.html

Here's one suggesting it's a nonissue:
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/11-fertilizers-water-parameters/1037746-copper-silicone.html

Like most things related to copper toxicity, it's probably exaggerated. At the same time though it does seem like it's not fully disproven (vs like, trace amounts of copper in fish food being unsafe to feed to shrimp, which has) and I'd be cautious at least. Maybe after the month is up and you've done sufficient water changes, test whether it's safe with a cheapo snail or cull from your shrimp tank. If they do OK, add a few more. Once you've tested to be sure there's no risk, then add what you actually want.

It's probably not the end of the world like I initially made it out to be but it's probably not entirely safe either. I'm sorry for possibly misleading you and not thinking to do this research before replying. I hope this post makes up for that!

Edit:

my 10 gallon only has the 1 female bristlenose, a pugnax betta, and 3 snails. And regular water changes.
OK, but a bristlenose, even completely alone is too big for a 10 gallon tank. 25 gallon is the usual recommended minimum. They just get too big, and make too much waste for a 10 gallon tank. Even if you're overfiltering to such a degree (which I'm not even sure is possible, flow would be ridiculous, but maybe... people keep goldfish alive in 10gals after all) and doing enough water changes to keep the fish alive, it's not a very comfortable existence for the BN. Plus, as with any overstocking, if your power went out your fish would *not* last long. Test your nitrates right before doing your regular water change and see what they're at.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 1
Thanks very much for the additional information, the bristlenose thing is temporary I plan on possibly rehoming her.
Hell. I'd swap my bipolar meds for whatever it is you are on :p Ich can be combated with high temperatures and the velvet (if it is true velvet), by keeping the fish in the dark.

What did you put in the tank recently? Ich isn't spread by the wind.
1 - 13 of 13 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top