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Allen Repashy (should be a familiar name if you also keep any herps, particularly geckos) is in the process of conducting field tests on a new line of food he's developing for aquatic feeders. He's targeting dart frog hobbyists ATM, but said he's also interested in doing some test with various Mbuna species. He's offering samples of the food on his website with the agreement that people will report back their experiences.

These foods sound to me like they have great potential with animals that rely on aufwachs as their primary diet, so may work very well with various catfish, shrimp etc as well. If you are breeding any of the above, Allen may be interested in your participation.

Here's the discussion thread over on Dendroboard: http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/fo...product-feedback-request-tadpole-diet-10.html There's a link to his website and how to order a sample of the food within that thread.
 

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Hello,

I just thought I would jump in here because I am quite passionate about my formulas and very interested in getting feedback on these new aquatic formulas from the resident experts.

I am a pretty well known guy in the Reptile World, but my first love was Aquatics. I had more than a thousand gallons running in my teen years and as I got into reptiles, used my Aquatic knowledge again in breeding and raising many species of frogs and newts.

So it seems I have come full circle a bit as I really think the great list of ingredients I have acquired for my range, and my two years of researching gel formulas, should allow me to formulate some great specialty fish gels.

I have been obsessive about learning animal nutrition for the last 10 years and feel I can hold my own in any conversation. My ears are always open, and I really enjoy formulating, testing, and learning new things.

A few things about my gel formulas:

Gels do a better job of locking in nutrients than flake, pellets, or powder. Water soluble vitamins remain stable as long as the gel does.

There are no traditional binders such as Wheat, Wheat Middlings, Wheat Gluten, Wheat Flour, and Rice Gluten, which can comprise 20% of many formulas. All of my formulas are gluten free.

There are no empty carbs or added starches, my formulas are very "low carb" Though it would be easy to add this in if there was such a requirement.

I use no soy products in any of my formulas due to the fact that it contains high levels of Tripsin inhibitors, Haemagglutinin growth inhibitors, and estrogen like compounds.

I am a firm believer in the power of carotenoids and have a broad spectrum of carotenoid providing natural ingredients in all my products. Typical total carotenoids are 250-350ppm

The gels use a combination of algae and plant gums to form the product, rather than gelatin, which is typically used.
Gelatin is primarily collagen, which is, for most purposes, an indigestible protein that accounts for up to 25% of the protein contents on a label. Also unlike gelatin based products, it is NOT necessary to boil, or cool product in the fridge. Our formulas require only simmering water, which reduces heat damage, and it will form a gel when it cools to room temperature.

The gels are quite stable and will not quickly break down in the water, allowing a more natural grazing type of feeding response.

I use no artificial or natural coloring or flavoring in the gel formulas.

I am here if anyone has questions about my formulas or ingredients.

James, what are your issues with my ingredients list? Because we are a very small company, I am able to easily customize formulas and willing to make any changes necessary..... but first, I would like an opportunity to discuss my current choice of ingredients and address any issues you might have with them.

Also note that I have quite a few other formulas in the works. I have an Invert formula that myself and Philippe deVosjoli have been testing on everything from Vampire crabs to Crystal Reds and Sulawesi Snails for over a year now.

Allen
 

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Oh sorry Allen- I should have thought to link you to this thread so you can chime in personally. I also started one over on TFH: http://forums.tfhmagazine.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=28649

There's a few cichlid forums you might want to hit up if you're specifically interested in Mbuna feedback, too- PM me if you want some links and I'll look em up for you (I'm not all that big into cichlids myself but know plenty of folks who are :) )
 

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James, what are your issues with my ingredients list? Because we are a very small company, I am able to easily customize formulas and willing to make any changes necessary..... but first, I would like an opportunity to discuss my current choice of ingredients and address any issues you might have with them.

Also note that I have quite a few other formulas in the works. I have an Invert formula that myself and Philippe deVosjoli have been testing on everything from Vampire crabs to Crystal Reds and Sulawesi Snails for over a year now.

Allen
Hi Allen! Thanks for posting. Mine is not so much an issue it's just that the fry that I would be feeding are less likely to eat it due to a couple of the ingredients: Whole Krill Meal, Whole Sardine Meal, Whole Squid Meal.

With Oto's, the "fishy" meal is a pretty big turn off for them. I've tried various feeds throughout their growth development. Anything that contained the "fishy" meal in was ignored. Granted the shrimp and snails took care of it though. ;)

Now for other fry guys, this does seem to have potential.
 

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Thanks James,

I do have another algae formula that is all plant based (VEGAN), using higher levels Algae and isolated pea and rice proteins, along with alfalfa, yeast and a a few other greens, which have a much more neutral taste and smell, allowing the algae flavor and smell to dominate the senses.

I didn't do a lot with the formula because the "algae eater" tadpoles I tried it on seemed to prefer the version with the fish, krill, and squid in it.

Please give the current formula a try, and if it doesn't work, I will mix up a batch of the plant based product for you to try.

I am not only looking for feedback on Fry or Mbuna as the OP suggested, but feedback on ALL species, and sizes of fish. Mbuna was just a species I think would do very well on the product when I mentioned it on the Dendrobatid forum.

Cheers, Allen
 

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Just ordered a sample of each.
It will be going to a pair of angels that have had 2 unsuccessful breedings so far, a group of tetras, harlequin rasboras, cory cats, loachs,, bolivian ram, dwarf gourami and red cherry shrimp

Do we provide feedback here or through your website's contact us form?
 

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Hi,

I like to keep things out in the open, and to avoid a bunch of fish talk on the frog forums, let's just do it here.

I pulled up my Invert Formula "Scavenger Gel" and the Vegan Freshwater Algae Formula and will try to mix some up and add it to the sample availability by next week now that I have made contact with you guys here at the forums.

I would like to get some comparison feedback from the finickiest eaters like Ottos, Tropheus, and others between the two algae based formulas.
Allen
 

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Allen, I ordered this sample yesterday and am excited to try both out. I have so many varieties that it isn't even funny...

How "solid" is the gel? It will be great to see. I've used your CGD for a year or so and love it.

I'd really be interested in carrying the Fish specific foods in my store(rootmedic.net) and when you move forward we will have to talk. I know you have many resellers. We can take that conversation to PM/Email though.

I am always excited to see new products in our business. These look promising.
 

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I ordered some. I have a couple species of mbuna that I can raise at any given time. I'll probably raise some Aurora as those are the ones I raised most recently and I can compare. I fed those baby brine from a jar as well as powdered brine shrimp flakes. I found that the higher protein did not hurt them at that age. The flakes have 50% protein.

When they got bigger they ate NLS.
 

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Hi,

I like to keep things out in the open, and to avoid a bunch of fish talk on the frog forums, let's just do it here.

I pulled up my Invert Formula "Scavenger Gel" and the Vegan Freshwater Algae Formula and will try to mix some up and add it to the sample availability by next week now that I have made contact with you guys here at the forums.

I would like to get some comparison feedback from the finickiest eaters like Ottos, Tropheus, and others between the two algae based formulas.
Allen
Allen, I have sent you a Private Message regarding this.

Thanks.
 

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How "solid" is the gel? It will be great to see. I've used your CGD for a year or so and love it.
When mixed according to the directions, it is a very firm gel. I think if you dropped a round ball of it, that it would bounce LOL.

You can soften it up or make it into a hockey puck, buy using more or less water than directed.

During my tests raising mass amounts of tadpoles in a large recirculating system (1000lbs fluidized sand, so overfeeding is never a concern) I was making a one cup size block and putting it in whole to a 150 gallon tank with 2000-4000 tadpoles (Litoria caerulea), the block would last for 8-12 hours. This was with a constant swarm of tadpoles on it to the point you couldn't even see it.

At hour six, I would remove the 1/4 size piece and it was still quite firm.

I think if it was left to sit uneaten, that the surface would start to break down just as a piece of fresh meat would. The objective is to put a piece in just large enough that their feeding behavior allows them to eat the surface before, or as it softens up.

For this reason, I prefer the use of thick pieces, as a thin film will break down faster than a square block.

Another interesting thing is that you can pour it thin onto a cookie sheet and allow it to sun dry or dry at 120 degrees in the oven.... and it makes something like a cross between a fruit roll up. and beef jerky. This stuff is very tough and doesn't rehydrate quickly, so it might be something to play with for species that require fast moving water.

You could also pour it thin into a pan over a screen like fiberglass window screen, which should increase its stability in moving water.

I really think the beauty of a gel formula that holds together well is that it more replicates the natural grazing type feeding habits of many species, compared to the unnatural Binge and Purge" feeding that goes on with regular flake and pellet food protocols.

Many species make a good part of their living picking and pecking away at aufwachs, even hungry carnivores, and this diet should do a good job of allowing a similar feeding strategy.
 

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An important note is though its first design is to be used as a grazing type block, but it also can be cut into bite size chunks and be fed this way to species that are more hunters than grazers. A cool tool is something like the Nicer Dicer" that can quickly chop it into cubes from 1/8" to 1/2" in size. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssNVPIOoRFQ

The only thing I can't figure out is a way to make it float LOL.
 
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