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I am thinking of buying my wife a digital slr camera for christmas. She has never been happy with the point and shoot cameras and misses her SLR film camera consumer reports likes the EOS Rebel T2i EF-S 18-55mm in the price range I think I should be looking (don't think she needs a $2,000 camera)or maybe i'm wrong. I know that a lot of people in the forum are into photography so any opinions or advice would be appreciated.
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Quality of lens matters more than the body (and unfortunately also sucks up more money than the body), with that said Canon makes some amazing cameras and the t2i is a really great camera. The kit lens it comes with is better than your avg kit lens but still has room for improvement.
I would take her to a store to check out dslr and see what she likes best in her hands. You could look at factory refurbs on "older" models to save money for lenses/flash/bag/filters.
yeah, the rebel is pretty good. If you have extra money, buy a telephoto or macro lens too , tripod and maybe a remote flash. Both of you can use it. You can use it too take photos of your tank.
Quality of lens matters more than the body (and unfortunately also sucks up more money than the body), with that said Canon makes some amazing cameras and the t2i is a really great camera. The kit lens it comes with is better than your avg kit lens but still has room for improvement.

thats good it will give her something to get started with. She could buy her own lenses later. She has abunch of lenses from her film camera I think it was a pentex but i guess they wont work with this. Is there a lens that you can recommend for me to add or should i just leave it to her
I would take her to a store to check out dslr and see what she likes best in her hands. You could look at factory refurbs on "older" models to save money for lenses/flash/bag/filters.
I would really like to suprise her. She will be expecting something for her new car so this will really come out of left feild
yeah, the rebel is pretty good. If you have extra money, buy a telephoto or macro lens too , tripod and maybe a remote flash. Both of you can use it. You can use it too take photos of your tank.
can you recommend a lens tripod she has
The T2i is awesome. I've been drooling over it for a few months now. As far as lenses go, the stock 18-55mm isn't great, but it's a good starter lens. How much are you willing to spend on a lens? They can easily be more pricey than the camera body itself.

The 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS is a good zoom lens, and I shoot with the 100mm f/2.8 IS macro lens. That one is rarely off my camera. I've read that the 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS lens is an excellent all-purpose lens too.
I am biased so I would say a Nikon, image quality is incredible even on budget cameras. The new D3100 is supposidly very good and for a DSLR isnt terribly expensive.
Nikon > Canon

But then again, I'm a Nikon fanboy ;)

Seriously though, Nikon may be better for her, as they're smaller and have better ergonomics. Ok, ergonomics are debatable, but theyre almost always smaller than Canon counterparts, which are usually better for smaller female hands. Look at a new Nikon D3100, or a Nikon D90 (just discontinued but considered one of the best Nikon cameras of all time, so you can get good deals on them as they clear out the remaining inventory)

Nikon is a camera and lens manufacturer only. It's what they've been making from the start. There's a reason their lenses are more expensive than Canon, the optics are top notch quality, and you pay for it. Canon just happens to make cameras, along with printers, video cameras, etc...:flick:

Besides, everybody knows real pro's use Nikon :icon_wink Hehe just threw that in to mess with the Canon crowd, lol....
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Nifty fifty 50mm f/1.8 lens. Any canon user ( myself) will recommend this lens as a good second lens. The quality is up there with much more expensive lenses but because its a prime and the construction isn't the best ( not anything to complain about but not the best) it only costs 100$. I own one. Great lens, can help teach a lot about aperture and dof for a beginner ( assuming your wife isn't a beginner though.)

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The 18-55 IS kit lens is pretty good. Adding a telephoto lens will let you/her capture those faraway things (animals in the wild, candid shots of people/kids etc). The 1.8/50 has a slight edge on image quality, but I'd say outgrow that kit lens first.

I'd rather spend some money on a good external flash (430EX) before diving into more lenses. Especially for indoor shots it makes a huge difference.
I am biased so I would say a Nikon, image quality is incredible even on budget cameras. The new D3100 is supposidly very good and for a DSLR isnt terribly expensive.
Nikon D3100 just came out a month or two ago... very good DSLR for beginners. It has a nice guide mode. I convinced my friend to buy one b/c he just had a kid and doesn't know anything about camera settings etc but wants something that will allow him to access more features as his knowledge increases yet be able to do some cooler things ASAP (eg guide mode). It also takes 1080p movies in native bluray 24 fps. I spoke to a photographer who does a lot of wedding gigs etc and he pretty much lost me in 2 minutes but he mumbled something about how although he bought a Nikon (I use a D40, my friend has the D3100) he said he really wishes he picked up a full frame Canon a long time ago before investing so much money in all his lenses for his Nikon. He really likes his Nikon but thinks Canon has been ahead of the game with DSLRs from the getgo when they debuted their DSLR a couple of years ago and still are ahead of the curve. Anyways... I think the best thing for you to do is to always identify your budget first while thinking about how far you plan to take your photography skills... Will it always just be a hobby? Will you one day need to purchase a camera body that can use lenses that your current camera can not use? Will the lenses you will buy first be compatible with your future camera body? Pick up a B&H catalogue and thumb to the DSLR section and your head will spin with all the DSLRs that one can purchase. Camera bodies ranging in price from a couple of hundred $ to $42k Hasselblad 60 megapix camera or Leica bodies that can cost $28k and each new lens can burn a $10k hole in your pocket. LOL Anyways I guess what I'm trying to say is the sky is the limit if your pocket is deep so focus on how much you want to spend now and how much you think you can invest in the future. Also weight is a huge factor. Yea it's nice to have a ridiculously expensive camera with tons of lenses but how long can you hold it before you start having fond memories of your slim pocket digi cam

Oh also sony came out with this nifty DSLR. The camera body looks like a slim pocket digi cam but can use SLRs made for it. It's new technology and there should be a disclaimer with any new technology about how long it lasts and how long the mfg will continue to support it and make new lenses for it assuming it catches on... then there is the whole "planned obselescence" aspect of every piece of technology that manufacturers plan into their products these days...

Check this website out to narrow the results of camera choices by options such as brand, price, resolution... color of camera... heh...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/SLR-Digital-Cameras/ci/6222/N/4288586280

Regardless of what you choose, I'm sure the Mrs. will be pleasantly surprised. Enjoy the holidays!!
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you can't really go wrong with either Canon or Nikon (in that order :))... but be prepared to shell out for lenses over time. A kit lens will get you by to start but eventually most will want to expand and the better lenses can far exceed the value of an entry level body.
Oh another thing to think about:

Camera remote control. Most cameras can use a wireless remote control for taking family portrates so you (the photographer) doesn't have to run back and forth after setting the timer. Some use wired remotes, most new ones use wireless remotes. The Nikon D3100 doesn't let you use a wireless remote. remotes imho are great for taking macro shots b/c it allows you to use a tripod and take a pic without your hands slightly moving the camera from breathing or being jittery etc... of course there are ways around everything and different ways to accomplish your goals but it's just some more food for thought.

D3100 also doesn't let you use an after market microphone for recording better sound so your at the mercy of the onboard mic or will have to combine video from your camera and sound from a secondary device during editing.
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Nikon's VR function pretty much automatically fixes any minor disturbances from breathing or a jittery hand. I use a D60 which to me for its nice a couple of years ago far exceedes what I expected from it. Especially considering I had bought P&S cameras for not much less and image quality was junk. I did consider an entry level Canon, but played with them in the stores and it just felt awkward in my hand and just didnt looks as nice as the Nikon. It is a classic battle of opinion between owners of the big 2 brands of DSLRs. Most Canon owners rag on Nikon, Nikon owners rag on Canons. Either will do the job, and do it well. It boils down to which is best for the owner.

As far as video on a DSLR, I would never buy a camera for that. Videos shot on a photo camera will never be of very impressive quality, it is a nice feature and one that I miss having on my own D60. But it is something that if your into, you look into a designated digital camcorder instead. :)
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Nikon's VR function pretty much automatically fixes any minor disturbances from breathing or a jittery hand.
It won't fix a changing plane of focus when using a macro lens then again I'm still new to adjusting the settings in regard to increasing what is in/out of focus when I'm really zooming in on something. Taking pics of fish with a macro lens has brought my timing to a whole new level. :)

I agree with you on buying a seperate camera for taking HD video although the ability to take HD video with the myriad of DSLR lenses is pretty neat. Taking HD video of Celestial Pearl Danios and other fish in general has given me much insight into how these nature show videographers must be setting up their shots... Trying to take an extreme closeup HD video of a CPD with a macro lens while holding the camera in my hands and breathing yields about 2 seconds of usable video before the fish moves and everything is out of focus... lol assuming I am able to get it in focus for the 2 swconds before it twitches.
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The 18-55 IS kit lens is pretty good. Adding a telephoto lens will let you/her capture those faraway things (animals in the wild, candid shots of people/kids etc). The 1.8/50 has a slight edge on image quality, but I'd say outgrow that kit lens first.

I'd rather spend some money on a good external flash (430EX) before diving into more lenses. Especially for indoor shots it makes a huge difference.

Thanks thats exactly her she loves taking pictures of wildlife. She would spend hours standing outside the gorilla en closer at the Bronx zoo with her camera and tripod. Now that we have point and shot cameras its more like "click click lets move on" I think she misses the old way. Thanks for pointing out that it will need a flash I would have expected it to be built in
Oh another thing to think about:

Camera remote control. Most cameras can use a wireless remote control for taking family portrates so you (the photographer) doesn't have to run back and forth after setting the timer. Some use wired remotes, most new ones use wireless remotes. The Nikon D3100 doesn't let you use a wireless remote.

Thanks
I think the wireless remote would be a nice feature. we use the timer a lot to take pictures of us together
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