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Anyone here using a paintball C02 system? What are your thoughts on it?
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I have a red sea paintball setup and it works great.

Right now it's on my 55 and going through about 1 20oz per month.Just bought a 5 pound tank and Milwaukee reg so I'm moving the red sea to my 5g.
what kind of bubble rate do you have it set for? Some people have been telling me that a 20 to 24 ounce canister last anywhere from 4 to 8 weeks. I presume you are using the refillable ones. I'm actually scaling down from a milwauikee reg with a ten pound cylinder on a 55 gallon tank, to a 23 ounce painball cylinder just to see how well it will work. I can get a regulator and system for about half what the Red Sea cost
3-5 bps....
3-5 bps....
Bubbles per second?
thats alot
Bubbles per second?
thats alot
You would think so, but on regular presurized C02 systems a lot of people seem to be pushing the envelope fr maximum C02. For a little paintball canister thats a lot! And it still lasts you at least a month if not more! Thats great.

Two or three members of your Jersey plant club took one of my paintball regulators. I am waiting to hear some feedback from them.
You would think so, but on regular presurized C02 systems a lot of people seem to be pushing the envelope fr maximum C02. For a little paintball canister thats a lot! And it still lasts you at least a month if not more! Thats great.

Two or three members of your Jersey plant club took one of my paintball regulators. I am waiting to hear some feedback from them.
I'm planning on ordering this regulator for my 15g in the next week or two. Just curious how long the turn around time and how these compare to the Red Sea?
Well the Red Sea is 130 dollars. Mine is 38. Red Sea has two gauges and a solenoid. Mine has one gauge and no solenoid. Thats the biggest difference. You can always add a solenoid if you want it, but at least this way you have a choice.

For those who do not know what a solenoid is, it is an electronic shut off valve. It enables you to shut the C02 off automatically at night, (on a timer) or with a pH controller. It would make your C02 canisters last longer

Paintball canisters are real cheap though. And re fills are extremely cheap. The large ones at the most are 15 to 18 dollars. refills 3 to 5 dollars. They take up very little room, very portable, safe, and easy to hook up. Compare that to a ten pound C02 canister, 80 to 100 dollars. Re fills 10 to 20 dollars. You could buy two paintball canisters to have one as a back up and still spend a third of the cost of a normal system
The only downside is that they don't last as long as the large tank setups, and if you're refilling every month at say $5/fill, thats the same cost as a 10lb fill which will last several months to a year depending on solenoid, bps, leaks, etc... I haven't done the math to figure out what the long term costs would be and I'm curious to know now that the costs of paintball systems are getting lower since theyre becoming more desirable and popular.

However, the paintball setup is exceptionally nice when it comes to space, compactness, ease to hide and IMO considerably cooler to have sitting next to the tank vs a large size CO2 tank. I plan on setting up one of these soon, just hope an earthquake of sorts doesn't hit here and tip the small tank over and destroy the regulator...
Just put my red sea in my 5.5 nano today so I'm expecting the co2 to last for 3-4 months.

we will see.
I do love the system tho should work out great for my small setup.
Two or three members of your Jersey plant club took one of my paintball regulators. I am waiting to hear some feedback from them.
Nice little regulator. Unfortunately it won't work without a needle value as the flow isn't really controllable with the on/off knob for me. I'm looking for 10-15 bpm for a 3g. (Other folks maybe able to do.) But still good bang for the buck on a paintball reg.

Another option for a paintball reg would be the new Hydor Advanced regulator. It is supposed to be usable with painball tanks as well.
Long term operating costs on paint ball cylinders are much higher than standard cylinders.

The largest common paint ball cylinder is the 20 ounce. That 1¼ lbs. If that lasts you a month on your system and runs $3 to fill then a 5 lb cylinder should last you 4 months minimum (bigger cylinders last longer than you think due to the physics of pressurized CO2, at least in my experience). So one has to look at how much a 5 lb cylinder costs to fill in your area.
Long term operating costs on paint ball cylinders are much higher than standard cylinders.

The largest common paint ball cylinder is the 20 ounce. That 1¼ lbs. If that lasts you a month on your system and runs $3 to fill then a 5 lb cylinder should last you 4 months minimum (bigger cylinders last longer than you think due to the physics of pressurized CO2, at least in my experience). So one has to look at how much a 5 lb cylinder costs to fill in your area.
There's a 24 ounce cylinder at WalMart near me. That's 1.5 lbs. Not that the extra quarter pound changes your math in any meaningful way...

Regarding big tank vs. small tank fill capacity, I filled a 20 ounce tank yesterday at a local paintball shop and the guy said he put 18 ounces in, which is 90% full. I assume that a 5 pound tank could be filled closer to 100% 'cause I'm assuming it would also need the same couple ounces of buffer as a small tank. That might explain the big vs. small cylinder difference. You don't want liquid CO2 boiling up into the valve, so I assume you need to leave an inch or so of gas in the bottle above the liquid CO2. Dunno.
Actually Rex, I am told the largest is 23 or 24 ounce. Of course a 3 foot tall C02 canister is cheaper in the long run than a six inch tall canister! Its like buying your grocieries at Pack and save. Five gallons of potatoe salad will be cheaper that a half a cup at the deli.

Unfortunately it won't work without a needle value as the flow isn't really controllable with the on/off knob for me.
Its not true for everyone. It can hold a very consistent bubble rate. Because of its small size, it does not have a great deal of pressure to cause drift. It does not have the fine tuning capability of a needle valve, however, you can EASILY hook up a inline needle valve. Why don't you do that Jens? Rex sells inline needle valves very CHEAP. I'm sure he would love to hook you up!

10-15 bpm for a 3g
Thats not real easy to do even with a good needle valve. Getting a slow bubble rate consistent is much harder than a fast one.

There is another modle I can get that is like the Red Sea. It has two gauges, a needle valve and a solenoid for aound a hundred bucks. Is that worth it? The low end one without the solenoid is 38 bucks plus ten bucks for a needle valve if you want it vs 100 dollars.
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Rex is right about the common size. Like you said Robert, larger tank sizes do exist and I personally would get the 24oz, but 20oz is the most commonly available size around.

I'm curious Robert, is there an option for a model w/ two gauges, no solenoid, no needle valve? That's the main drawback for me from purchasing the regulator you're currently selling, I was going to jump on it and purchase one but I'd like one that shows both the internal bottle pressure and the ability to gauge my output pressure just like the one I've got for my 20lb-er
Rex sells inline needle valves very CHEAP. I'm sure he would love to hook you up!
That is the plan.

Thats not real easy to do even with a good needle valve. Getting a slow bubble rate consistent is much harder than a fast one.
Well, i'm able to do so with the Hydor NRG CO2 kit. Unfortunately the cartridges run $20. Even with 3-5bpm the cartridge is empty in 8 weeks. But size is unmatched, the Hydor kit is half the size of the AB paintball reg using 88g paintball cartridges. In some instances size does matter :)

There is another modle I can get that is like the Red Sea. It has two gauges, a needle valve and a solenoid for aound a hundred bucks. Is that worth it? The low end one without the solenoid is 38 bucks plus ten bucks for a needle valve if you want it vs 100 dollars.
From a business point, as a vendor, I would offer both. Options are always good to have. $100 is a pretty good deal. Only question would be how the quality will hold up....
IMO, A paintball tank is a very good option for everything smaller than 30G and those tanks are much easier to get filled, transported....
Also a paintball reg is a very good backup option in case your main tank runs out of CO2.

BTW, where did you see a needle valve for $10????
Hey Robert H.,
I would really be interested in purchasing one of these paintball regulators but I want to get feedback from the customer's who have purchased these equipment from you. Let me or us know about the feedback here on this thread. Thanks, Eric.
Since Robert Hudson DBA AquaBotanic is no longer a forum sponsor, power seller or supporting member, please refer all future questions about price and purchase to PM.

Please feel free to continue performance discussions! ;)

Mike
Sorry Mike, I know I am walking a line here. Deleting my entire signature was a little much though.

BTW, where did you see a needle valve for $10????
I thought Rex was selling a needle valve for ten bucks. Clippard is around ten. The link is in his signature. Last I checked, I presume its still there!

Let me or us know about the feedback here on this thread. Thanks, Eric.
I don't think admin is going to allow that. If you go to APC, you can find others who bought it and PM them if you wish.
Sorry Mike, I know I am walking a line here. Deleting my entire signature was a little much though.
Sorry Robert, but it wasn't me. A PM about it might have spared you that mistake.


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