[John Wong]

Hi everyone, if you ever experience any kind of fertiliser overdose and toxicity problem, mind to share your experience and post any photos related to the effects of toxicity. Just now found an interesting article that mention about micronutrient toxicity. Is it possible that sometimes even we know that nutrients are readily available to plants but somehow plant just not doing well. Example, I heard too much of zinc may inhibit iron absorption and cause iron deficiency.
https://classicalaquascaping.wordpress.com/category/deficiency-toxicity/page/2/

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[DennisSingh]

That great blog is by Mr. Solencia
I'm not sure if i support micro toxicity at all.
But there are a few out there, so could be legit

 

[IntotheWRX]

Hi everyone, if you ever experience any kind of fertiliser overdose and toxicity problem, mind to share your experience and post any photos related to the effects of toxicity. Just now found an interesting article that mention about micronutrient toxicity. Is it possible that sometimes even we know that nutrients are readily available to plants but somehow plant just not doing well. Example, I heard too much of zinc may inhibit iron absorption and cause iron deficiency.
https://classicalaquascaping.wordpress.com/category/deficiency-toxicity/page/2/

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Why: proof that support your idea, example, own experience, test report etc.


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I haven't seen my plants complain about over fertz. But I can see algae growing well when I dose on my HIGH SIDE (every two days). My white ceramic co2 diffuser will have a layer of yellow green, then to full green, to dark green algae that increases everyday. My rocks also grow a green haze and will turn dark green if the shrimps dont eat it in time. green dust algae will haze the glass of my tank within days.

Since then I have been running my tank leaner. I do water changes every 2 months or so. I dose about 1 time a week. My algae problem is pretty much at 0 with dosing excel.

 

[houseofcards]

You'll see all kinds of BS blogs, information doesn't mean anything contained in it is true.

My algae problem is pretty much at 0 with dosing excel.

Anyone can have zero algae if they dose enough Excel. When you don't do regular water changes, your organic content is higher, thus the algae. You wouldn't need to use excel if that wasn't the case.

 

[Fissure]

Tried it the solencio way and it was a no go. It actually got much worse, and his claim that high light somehow negates low fert levels is total bull[censored][censored][censored][censored]. Tried it while I low dosed and it was a total failure. Never seen so much BBA so fast.
Resumed normal light levels and EI dosing @ 0.2 FE and it is starting to recover finally. I expected it to end up this way but it was worth a try. I do not buy the toxicity claims at all any more, not when dosing "correct" EI levels anyways.

 

[IntotheWRX]

You'll see all kinds of BS blogs, information doesn't mean anything contained in it is true.



Anyone can have zero algae if they dose enough Excel. When you don't do regular water changes, your organic content is higher, thus the algae. You wouldn't need to use excel if that wasn't the case.

i do what i wanna do. i have my own style, you have your own. just because we disagree on how we run our tanks doesn't mean you have to make personal attacks on me on this forum. lay off my back please.

 

[houseofcards]

i do what i wanna do. i have my own style, you have your own. just because we disagree on how we run our tanks doesn't mean you have to make personal attacks on me on this forum. lay off my back please.

Where' the personal attack? I'm stating a fact about using Excel.

BTW, since you brought up personal attacks I'm not sure why you think it's O.K. to have two user IDs? Your not fooling anyone. It's pretty obvious that @MacDre2016 and you are the same person. Stop trying to BS everyone.

 

[IntotheWRX]

Where' the personal attack? I'm stating a fact about using Excel.

BTW, since you brought up personal attacks I'm not sure why you think it's O.K. to have two user IDs? Your not fooling anyone. It's pretty obvious that @MacDre2016 and you are the same person. Stop trying to BS everyone.

Mac Dre is my respected friend. we work together on tanks.

 

[DennisSingh]

I wish ppl would do away using excel...

 

[IntotheWRX]

I wish ppl would do away using excel...

how come?

 

[DennisSingh]

Cause this sterilizer is unnecessary. If overdosed it can kill off plants and shrimp, not sure about other fauna.

Idk, I like natural over chems.
Water changes will solve a lot of issues with balance if nutrients and light.
Not a personal attack but like a tank more naturally developed...

 

[houseofcards]

I could see the excel when you don't have co2, dosed at low dosage, but people abuse it and things start dying when they could have just done some of the things @StrungOut mentioned. Most people don't take the necessary stems to avoid algae at tank startup especially.

 

[IntotheWRX]

Cause this sterilizer is unnecessary. If overdosed it can kill off plants and shrimp, not sure about other fauna.

Idk, I like natural over chems.
Water changes will solve a lot of issues with balance if nutrients and light.
Not a personal attack but like a tank more naturally developed...

oh wow i didnt know it can kill plants. about what range is considered overdose? I think the bottle says a capfull for 10 gal once a day. I dose about 60% of a cap every other day for my 9 gal. how many capfulls would it start killing stuff?

i like all natural too.

 

[DennisSingh]

I don't know how much to overdose
I don't see excel as a source of co2 despite seachems claims, if co2 is a macronutrient and excel is liquid co2 then why can you not overdose it like you can with pressurized injection.

With your amount your dosing, shouldn't be enough to overdose so i think your good.

Here's a chemical burn of excel. I don't have pictures of it melting stuff, this is all i could pick up. I know syngonanthus, vallisneria, some mosses are sensitive to[censored]the stuff.

 

[Fissure]

oh wow i didnt know it can kill plants. about what range is considered overdose? I think the bottle says a capfull for 10 gal once a day. I dose about 60% of a cap every other day for my 9 gal. how many capfulls would it start killing stuff?

i like all natural too.

Well it is obviously toxic enough to kill off algae at small doses. Some plants are known to be more sensitive then others.

 

[sohankpatel]

On the subject of excel, some people in my local fish club HATE excel. This is simply because it is normally used as a hospital disinfectant, and it is pretty nasty stuff if you read the msds. Excel isn't quite glutaraldehyde (spelling butcher), it is a couple steps down the road to being usable to plants. Other things like Metricide 14 are a bit more concentrated, and it is not a couple steps down the road, so just be more careful with anything that is liquid co2.

 

[houseofcards]

When it comes to excel I'm still not sure which is of greater benefit. Excels ability to provide a carbon source or it's ability to kill algae that would have interfered with growth.

 

[happi]

Tried it the solencio way and it was a no go. It actually got much worse, and his claim that high light somehow negates low fert levels is total bull[censored][censored][censored][censored]. Tried it while I low dosed and it was a total failure. Never seen so much BBA so fast.
Resumed normal light levels and EI dosing @ 0.2 FE and it is starting to recover finally. I expected it to end up this way but it was worth a try. I do not buy the toxicity claims at all any more, not when dosing "correct" EI levels anyways.

i had similar issue, BBA etc, because plant did not do well when csm+b was reduced to extremely low levels, but that doesn't prove toxicity isn't real, it just prove csm isn't good source of trace, the ratio in csm isn't that great, i had worse BBA when i induced more Zn, i have changed the ratio and plant responded differently when not using csm at all, these ratio were much different and some of them were even lower when i used csm during this experiment.

 

[houseofcards]

i had similar issue, BBA etc, because plant did not do well when csm+b was reduced to extremely low levels, but that doesn't prove toxicity isn't real, it just prove csm isn't good source of trace

That's a bunch of BS. Been using only CSM+B forever on countless tanks, hi to low light and many with different source water and have no deficiencies whatsoever.

 

[happi]

That's a bunch of BS. Been using only CSM+B forever on countless tanks, hi to low light and many with different source water and have no deficiencies whatsoever.

i don't think you understood what i meant to say, let me explain in more detail. i have dosed csm+b without issue too far as plant health is concerned, but you might have to dose more or less of something, such as Mn, Fe, Zn, B etc. if plant only used maximum of 0.1 ppm of Copper and 1 ppm of Fe per week and you dose csm that lets say add 0.2 ppm Cu instead when plant will only uptake maximum of 0.1 then you will start to see buildup of copper in your water, but it might get absorbed by the high CEC substrates such as ADA soil, the rise of Cu will occur in inert substrate fairly quickly, same is true for other trace minerals as well. all am saying is your plant might only need 0.1 ppm of Fe and 0.02 ppm of Boron at maximum, adding 0.2 ppm boron instead of 0.02 ppm boron will results in stunted plant, because the balance is way off now, while some of the minerals are good and bad for both fish and shrimps as well depending on the amount.