[AJseagull1]

Hi All,

I had Dwarf Mexican Crayfish in my tank when I lived in Israel. Now, I live in California and I would like to get a m/f pair. My local fish store owner told me they are illegal in CA, but I see them for sale from reputable online retailers (all out of state) with no mention of shipping restrictions. Does anyone know if I can legally purchase these fun little Inverts in California?

Thanks!

 

[KarenSoCal]

If I read this correctly, the only crayfish NOT illegal are P. Clarkii (the white and tangerine "lobsters") like Petco sells, and the Eastern crawfish.

I guess now I know why no LFS's sell them.
Exccept I did see one LFS selling self-cloning type. Maybe he doesn't know the law either?


http://www.bornfreeusa.org/b4a2_exotic_animals_state.php?s=ca

 

[Zoidburg]

I'm pretty sure I've seen those crayfish as well as blue ones for sale in California.... within the Sacramento and San Francisco area... I never see them locally, in Nevada.

 

[KarenSoCal]

I'm pretty sure I've seen those crayfish as well as blue ones for sale in California.... within the Sacramento and San Francisco area... I never see them locally, in Nevada.

Which ones do you mean? I have seen the P. Clarkii at Petco, and the self cloning at one small LFS. I think the electric blue are also Clarkii? No mention of Allenii...guess they are restricted too. I am in CA.
Edit: just looked...electric blue are p. Alleni, so I suppose they are restricted here.

 

[BettaBettas]

just curious, why would this be illegal?

 

[Zoidburg]

Which ones do you mean? I have seen the P. Clarkii at Petco, and the self cloning at one small LFS. I think the electric blue are also Clarkii? No mention of Allenii...guess they are restricted too. I am in CA.
Edit: just looked...electric blue are p. Alleni, so I suppose they are restricted here.

I could be mistaken... but I'm pretty sure I saw some.

I want to say 6th Avenue Flower Shop and Aquarium (???) had blue ones (maybe not dwarf? but blue something)

Drawing a blank on the other one at the moment... I just remember that you had the main shop when you walked in, then a room off to the side that contained all the aquariums. Side room was dark and mostly lit by the tanks. I remember seeing some of the orange dwarfs in one of the front tanks.

just curious, why would this be illegal?

Agricultural pest???? Displaces native species??? Have Signal Crayfish in a lake kind of local to me (hours drive away), and they are illegal. (some have made it a business to catch and sell them) Someone years ago (before it was illegal) released them into the waters so he'd have an easy access food. They multiplied. I'm one state over and live near a river that's fed by that lake, and I can easily go and find the crayfish in those waters! And no doubt, they are probably in the other lake that gets it's water from that river...

 

[KarenSoCal]

just curious, why would this be illegal?

"Threat to native wildlife, detrimental to agriculture, or a threat to public health or safety" according to CA laws. I suspect they breed easily, so could overwhelm other critters found locally? Just a thought...

 

[BettaBettas]

Agricultural pest???? Displaces native species??? Have Signal Crayfish in a lake kind of local to me (hours drive away), and they are illegal. (some have made it a business to catch and sell them) Someone years ago (before it was illegal) released them into the waters so he'd have an easy access food. They multiplied. I'm one state over and live near a river that's fed by that lake, and I can easily go and find the crayfish in those waters! And no doubt, they are probably in the other lake that gets it's water from that river...

I didn't think of the releasing thing but that should be illegal everywhere. Captive species should stay captive. Still don't understand why having a pet crayfish of that kind would be illegal if it is in a for say tank or aquarium.

 

[zackariah]

Cpo where available at a few shops I have been in. It's been awhile though. This must be new for at the the cpo or they didn't know.

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[Zoidburg]

Thinking more about the shop in San Fran, it's probably blue lobsters that I saw.

I didn't think of the releasing thing but that should be illegal everywhere. Captive species should stay captive. Still don't understand why having a pet crayfish of that kind would be illegal if it is in a for say tank or aquarium.

Signal Crayfish aren't a captive species though... they are native to Oregon, Washington and apparently Idaho. More here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_crayfish

 

[BettaBettas]

Thinking more about the shop in San Fran, it's probably blue lobsters that I saw.





Signal Crayfish aren't a captive species though... they are native to Oregon, Washington and apparently Idaho. More here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_crayfish

I was talking about the DMC's. idk where you got signal crayfish from lol. sorry if there was a bit of confusion there. So im presuming CA just doesn't trust its residents to house DMC's don't blame them though, that's how carp started.

 

[KarenSoCal]

Thinking more about the shop in San Fran, it's probably blue lobsters that I saw.





Signal Crayfish aren't a captive species though... they are native to Oregon, Washington and apparently Idaho. More here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_crayfish

Interesting that in your link they call the signal cray an "invasive' species across Europe and Japan.

Did you read the link I posted with the laws? I am hoping I understood it correctly...sure don't want to be putting out false info here! Crustaceans are about next to last in the list of critters.

I was talking about the DMC's. idk where you got signal crayfish from lol. sorry if there was a bit of confusion there. So im presuming CA just doesn't trust its residents to house DMC's don't blame them though, that's how carp started.

A lot of the animals on the list make perfect sense...i mean, who really needs pet crocodiles and the like?

Others adapt too easily as wild animals, like ferrets. When I lived for a summer in Lake Elsinore, there was a ferret living wild, and doing just fine. Look at the problem in FL with pythons in the Everglades.

On the other hand, I really wanted a CPO some day.

 

[Zoidburg]

Yes, I looked at the link. In fact, I've seen it before, for different species. (birds - at the top of the list)

 

[KarenSoCal]

Yes, I looked at the link. In fact, I've seen it before, for different species. (birds - at the top of the list)

So I haven't misunderstood it...thank you for confirming.

 

[anh2.0]

i seen mexican dwarfs in LFS

 

[KarenSoCal]

i seen mexican dwarfs in LFS

Where do you live? We are discussing CA...hopefully they are legal where you are.

 

[anh2.0]

Where do you live? We are discussing CA...hopefully they are legal where you are.

orange county, in fact i seen them just about every LFS here that has interesting stuff

 

[KarenSoCal]

orange county, in fact i seen them just about every LFS here that has interesting stuff

That's good news! I'm confused though...don't know if they are ok to keep or not now. Not going to concern myself any more...husband says "no more tanks!" LOL!

 

[anh2.0]

That's good news! I'm confused though...don't know if they are ok to keep or not now. Not going to concern myself any more...husband says "no more tanks!" LOL!

its one of those rarely enforce law because it just not important enough. Alot of plants sold here through the aquarium trade are also illegal.

 

[Zoidburg]

Wondering if it might have been in LA that I saw those orange dwarfs now... or if it was still one around Sacramento now...