[HunterX]

I had an idea.. To increase the level of O2 in the HOH, why not install another hose barb on my reactor and pump air into it. Would this not disolve more O2 or air than just running an airstone?

I would love to hear your thoughts.

 

[Hoppy]

CO2 dissolves very easily into water, but O2 is hard to get dissolved into water, and water holds a lot less O2 than CO2. Bubbling air through the water isn't an effective way to get more O2 dissolved. A wet/dry filter is a very effective way to do that, and those can be relatively cheap, for example http://www.amazon.com/Hagen-14003-F...1&sr=8-4&keywords=wet+dry+filter+for+aquarium

 

[happi]

^best answer you can get

 

[HunterX]

CO2 dissolves very easily into water, but O2 is hard to get dissolved into water, and water holds a lot less O2 than CO2. Bubbling air through the water isn't an effective way to get more O2 dissolved. A wet/dry filter is a very effective way to do that, and those can be relatively cheap, for example http://www.amazon.com/Hagen-14003-F...1&sr=8-4&keywords=wet+dry+filter+for+aquarium

Thanks for the reply. I concur that its harder to get the O2 to dissolve into the water. I don't intend to do the standard air stone in the tank method. Do u not think bubbling the air into a Rex style reactor would increase the amount of air O2 dissolved into the water? It seams logical that you would get a higher rate of diffusion than a standard air stone in the water method.

 

[KH2PO4]

1. The air will just accumulate there, like when you prime your canister connected to a reactor. You have to find a way to bleed it out.
And if yours is connected to a pump, make sure it's powerful enough to expel the bubbles
out of the reactor.

2. Normal air pump is not powerful enough to push air into it, IME.

 

[Jeff5614]

Thanks for the reply. I concur that its harder to get the O2 to dissolve into the water. I don't intend to do the standard air stone in the tank method. Do u not think bubbling the air into a Rex style reactor would increase the amount of air O2 dissolved into the water? It seams logical that you would get a higher rate of diffusion than a standard air stone in the water method.

You'd probably get better oxygenation using an air stone in the tank than pumping air into a reactor. An air stone adds O2 by breaking the surface tension of the water which increases the rate of gas exchange at the surface. Since you have a larger surface area in the tank than the reactor you would do better by just using an airstone in the tank. The stone in the tank also will increase circulation somewhat, moving more oxygenated water throughout the tank and bringing less oxygenated water to the surface.

Aside from a wet dry filter, adding a powerhead or a prop type pump like a Koralia would probably be more effective, or at least more aesthetically pleasing, than an air stone. You might also think about connecting a surface skimmer to your filter. Surface skimming can be very affective in aiding oxygenation also.

 

[HD Blazingwolf]

I had an idea.. To increase the level of O2 in the HOH, why not install another hose barb on my reactor and pump air into it. Would this not disolve more O2 or air than just running an airstone?

I would love to hear your thoughts.

I OFTEN considered this..

then i went to a wet/dry filter. the benefits are pretty easily noticeable.

also at night i have a needlewheel pump that spits tons of bubbles into my sumo area that get sucked into the main pump. these micro bubbles increase the water/air surface area A LOT.. i no longer have debris buildup anywhere in my tank. it all gets efficiently eaten by bacteria at this point

 

[Rainer]

What about injecting O2 in the same manner as CO2, assuming for a moment that sourcing it is not an issue.

 

[HD Blazingwolf]

What about injecting O2 in the same manner as CO2, assuming for a moment that sourcing it is not an issue.

Sourcing isn't bad. i had considered that route. going as far as getting pricing from the same place that fills my c02 tank

it doesn't dissolve well, that's the main issue. AND IT CAN BE LETHAL

too much into the water and u have dead fish..

 

[xmas_one]

My O2 reactor is a big rectangular tank with plants in it. I pump co2 into it and shine lights on the plants.

 

[Rainer]

My O2 reactor is a big rectangular tank with plants in it. I pump co2 into it and shine lights on the plants.

You should post that in the DIY forum.

 

[beginragnarok]

My O2 reactor is a big rectangular tank with plants in it. I pump co2 into it and shine lights on the plants.

You should post that in the DIY forum.

I think I like both of you. :biggrin:

To the OP - I think breaking the surface tension of the water (a surface skimmer was already mentioned) or using a spray bar is your best bet if you don't want to use a wet/dry. I'm no expert admitedly.

 

[Optix]

I had an idea.. To increase the level of O2 in the HOH, why not install another hose barb on my reactor and pump air into it. Would this not disolve more O2 or air than just running an airstone?

I would love to hear your thoughts.

I do exactly that...and its quite easy to do
...hook up a cheap air pump on a separate airline tube and check valve and inject it into my reactor right before lights out (because plants are not converting CO2 at night)...it mists the tank and the bubble is gone by the morning

my fish used to gasp at the surface in the mornings -they stopped doing that but personally I think they were just being dramatic because when the lights turned on, they would swim mid tank with no problems after less than 10mins

since then, Ive given away my fish and started my tank over...but will probably reconnect it after my tank has established and cycled

 

[HD Blazingwolf]

I do exactly that...and its quite easy to do
...hook up a cheap air pump on a separate airline tube and check valve and inject it into my reactor right before lights out (because plants are not converting CO2 at night)...it mists the tank and the bubble is gone by the morning

my fish used to gasp at the surface in the mornings -they stopped doing that but personally I think they were just being dramatic because when the lights turned on, they would swim mid tank with no problems after less than 10mins

since then, Ive given away my fish and started my tank over...but will probably reconnect it after my tank has established and cycled

Simple surface agitation should have fixed that plants don't absorb that much oxygen, nor do they release that much co2..

 

[Optix]

I know...I do it more for my benefit than the fish

but I try to minimize surface agitation to maximize the amount of CO2 that stays in the water when the lights are on

 

[HD Blazingwolf]

I know...I do it more for my benefit than the fish

but I try to minimize surface agitation to maximize the amount of CO2 that stays in the water when the lights are on

Then ur not benefitting the fish right there

co2 is cheap. a little agitation goes a long way to a happy healthy tank.. it also allows ur co2 concentration to go higher safely.

more oxygen allows fish to handle more co2 better

 

[Optix]

AIR is cheaper

my fish were fine, my plants were fine and my tank/filter was healthy
...so what are we even discussing here? obviously, there are many different ways to approach a tank and be successful

 

[killswitch]

o2 is quite hard to dissolve in a reactor. There was some air stuck on my reactor after i cleaned it out and it took hours to disappear.

I use a small airstone to gas out my tank at night. I strapped it next to the intake piping so its hidden quite well in the corner.

 

[accordztech]

I know...I do it more for my benefit than the fish

but I try to minimize surface agitation to maximize the amount of CO2 that stays in the water when the lights are on

I used to think like that, but when I started to let the water return ripple the surface I saw a huge improvment in my fish and a few plants.

A wise man once told me, if you look at a river that has plants and stuff growing, the water isnt calm. There is always a current. If it works for them..then it should definitly work for us. Also water current is free compared to making a unit for a 02 reactor. Or just get a wet/dry sump

 

[HD Blazingwolf]

AIR is cheaper

my fish were fine, my plants were fine and my tank/filter was healthy
...so what are we even discussing here? obviously, there are many different ways to approach a tank and be successful

Dont take my word on it, ive tried every method out there. Just try things out urself. Ur obviously smart enough to come to ur own conclusions