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Hey, I'm Lee. I'm new here! *wave*. Was just after a bit of advice....

I've just purchased a 2ft aquarium to have a go at a planted tank. This is a first for me. So this is what I wanted to ask:

1. Substrate.
I've had a read around and it seems ADA Amazonia is a good substrate? Would this be suitable for me or an overkill as it isnt cheap. Do I need any other substrate or additives?

2. Plants.
I don't want to invest in a co2 kit at this stage. So I was wondering are there any nice carpeting plants which dont require additional co2 requirements? something like Cuba or a short Hairgrass? In fact is there a list someone can recommend of plants I can use without additional co2 that are beginner friendly?

3. Fertilisers
This is an area I am not very familiar with? what fertilisers do I need to dose with? How often etc?

Apologies if you get these questions a lot. I had a quick look but couldnt find exactly what I was looking for.

thanks
Lee
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I've only started with planted tanks a few months ago! Welcome!
I go the cheap route and plant in a dirt tank. I use miracle gro organic potting soil, capped with cheap sand, no ferts, no CO2. I have slower growth, BUT it's much easier to start with, and a much lower start up cost.
Messing with CO2 seemed like a bad place for me to start. Hahaha. I'd recc some plants but as I'm still learning I'll leave that to those more knowledegable than I. I do have to say, I've had fantastic luck with: Giant Bacopa, cryptocoryne wendtii, hornwort, and java moss. I've recently gotten a bunch of new plants to experement with, yay! I say don't be nervous and jump in with both feet!
For the substrate all you need is just the soil. Careful though because there is an ammonia leaching period where it leaches ammonia into your water. It helps with your cycle but sometimes takes up to 6 weeks. It's also worth the investment to get the good stuff now than want the good stuff in 3 months and have to change your substrate out
For the substrate all you need is just the soil. Careful though because there is an ammonia leaching period where it leaches ammonia into your water. It helps with your cycle but sometimes takes up to 6 weeks. It's also worth the investment to get the good stuff now than want the good stuff in 3 months and have to change your substrate out

Bit of advice... Take you time. Do not rush into anything.
Hey, I'm Lee. I'm new here! *wave*. Was just after a bit of advice....

I've just purchased a 2ft aquarium to have a go at a planted tank. This is a first for me. So this is what I wanted to ask:

1. Substrate.
I've had a read around and it seems ADA Amazonia is a good substrate? Would this be suitable for me or an overkill as it isnt cheap. Do I need any other substrate or additives?

2. Plants.
I don't want to invest in a co2 kit at this stage. So I was wondering are there any nice carpeting plants which dont require additional co2 requirements? something like Cuba or a short Hairgrass? In fact is there a list someone can recommend of plants I can use without additional co2 that are beginner friendly?

3. Fertilisers
This is an area I am not very familiar with? what fertilisers do I need to dose with? How often etc?

Apologies if you get these questions a lot. I had a quick look but couldnt find exactly what I was looking for.

thanks
Lee
Hey there! I started keeping shrimp a year ago, but tanks two years ago. I'd suggest either cheap natural looking gravel, fluorite black or brown or Fluval shrimp stratum. I think that goes in appropriate rising price order.

I'm not sure how tall your two foot aquarium is, but I can get you a deal for $14 shipped fluval shrimp stratum 4.4 lbs.

I personally like the FSS because I wanted to go a natural look, but I liked the darkness of the stratum. I know the roundness of it doesn't last forever.

So that's my recommendation for substrate.

Ferts... If you see issues, certain Ferts are necessary. You can't go wrong buying Flourish plant packs and following a dosing routine.

I'd always recommend root tabs, however I try not to use any Ferts. I don't want my plants to rely on it.. But that's just my odd head.

Plants aren't my area of expertise on selection. I'm still playing with what works for me well.

I wish you luck :) if You want to talk more bout it, I'd be happy to pm with you.


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welcome to the forum i would go with a dirt tank with a sand layer and then a gravel layer (2mm) gravel and theni would use fast growing species such as hydro and cacomba and add some crypts micro swords make a nice ish carpet
Bit of advice... Take you time. Do not rush into anything.

Agreed.... Slow and steady for the planted tanks.
make a simple list and have a couple of extra options with low and high on your budget, then you decide one by one...
I would start low on a budget first, and then practice a couple of months, and then upgrade later for goodies...:)
Hey everyone and thanks for the warm welcome and much appreciated advice!

One thing I am going to do is take things slowly. I dont want to spend a heap on plants for them all to die within a week because I've not got the right balance.

I was set on the ADA amazonia but after the advice I might go for the seachem flourite black. I really wanted black and the flourite is real cheap (£11 for 7kg). Can anyone else vouch for this stuff? Not discrediting your advice MAJB! :) or should I spend the little extra and go for ADA on the substrate?

This is my tank by the way:
http://www.allpondsolutions.co.uk/a...quarium-90-litres-60cm-2ft-three-colours.html

should be with me within the next day or two.

MAJB, thanks for the offer but if you hadn't already realised I'm in the UK :)
I just realized that :) sorry. And you're validating my idea, I also suggested fluorite heh.

I'll be sure to keep up with your journal!

Your plants will depend on your light :) so keep us posted.


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Do you have your lights yet? If so, what lights do you have? As a general rule of thumb, you'll have a much larger selection of plants to choose from if you have high light, but you'll need alot more in the way of ferts and c02 to keep them happy. You also are more prone to algae problems with high light. If you have low to moderate light you can still have a nice planted tank but without all the maintenance. Some plants that do well in lower light include mosses, java fern, anubias, swords, sagittaria (aka sag), and duckweed, which is a floater. All of these plants are pretty cheap.

The above are the ones that I am personally familiar with, but here is a list of some others:

http://eveliens.hubpages.com/hub/Aquatic-Plants-for-Beginners

I used Eco Complete mixed with a bit of black gravel in my tank and am very pleased with it. I don't add any ferts at all and my lighting is low. My plants grow slowly, but that's fine with me as it means less maintenance on them.

One nice thing about mosses, java ferns and anubias is that you can use super glue to attach them to rocks, wood, and store bought decor, so you can have plants anywhere, at any level of the tank. You can use them cover up decor and make them more natural looking (like little terra cotta pots used for caves, for example).
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Hi thanks for the advice with the moss etc. Will definitely go for some Java Moss and Anubis.

My lighting is: 4 x 24w T5 Bulbs

is this good? I don't really have much idea what is low/med/high light.

Thanks
Hi thanks for the advice with the moss etc. Will definitely go for some Java Moss and Anubis.

My lighting is: 4 x 24w T5 Bulbs

is this good? I don't really have much idea what is low/med/high light.

Thanks
They're the right style of lights for sure.. But what size tank is it? You said 2 ft but how many gallons tall/wide


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I'm not great with this, so someone should definitely correct me if I'm wrong, but yes you should be able to grow low - medium light plants. You'll need to control how long your lights are on for otherwise get some algae issues. Pretty tank :)


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thanks! I was thinking about 10hours of light a day? Could someone tell me if thats a good starting point? I'm guessing it depends on plants though?
Ive used Eco-Complete in all of my tanks. Runs at about the same price as bags of cravel @ Petco/petsmart... 15-20$/bag. You can get em for a pretty good deal at drsfostersmith.com
Thats where i get a lot of my stuff nowadays because of the free shipping over 50$, plus they have awesome Customer service. Had a package come in that was all wet and crap (Bag of eco complete was packaged with two filters. Bag ripped open a bit and water got all over the new filters and the boxes and wat not) and i wrote them an email telling them how dumb their shipping dept was for shipping a huge bag of rocks with small plastic filters.
They gave me 15$ off plus i get a free upgrade to UPS Shipping on every future purchase :D

As for ferts, i personally use Rootmedic liquid ferts. macro's and micro's. never really used anything else, only ever used the rootmedic, but it seems to do the job. Also use the occasional rootmedic capsules that you stick in the substrate so the roots get some ferts too.
Not saying either are the best, just tellin ya' what works for me :D
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tank arrived this evening! Just assembled it and chucked my wood in. Will go get the substrate tomorrow. :) Happy with the tank. You guys in the US might know the brand as Sunsun? They are a china company. Got this dead cheap (trade price). Overall very satisfied. Heres a little pic. I might start a journal thread.

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Just realized your in the UK

Sweet tank!
That light is definitely plenty, if not too much. That tank is something like 25 gallons, i think? I Generally look for around 2 to 3 Watts of light per gallon. Closer to the 2 watt side. Thats considered kind of between low and medium id say? maybe closer to medium.
If your running that much light i would definitely suggest ferts and c02.

Definitely heard of sunsun. Id say they are known quite well for their economically friendly canister filters, that arent half bad for the price, hah.
Just realized your in the UK

Sweet tank!
That light is definitely plenty, if not too much. That tank is something like 25 gallons, i think? I Generally look for around 2 to 3 Watts of light per gallon. Closer to the 2 watt side. Thats considered kind of between low and medium id say? maybe closer to medium.
If your running that much light i would definitely suggest ferts and c02.

Definitely heard of sunsun. Id say they are known quite well for their economically friendly canister filters, that arent half bad for the price, hah.
Thanks :) yeah I got one of their canister filters with the setup. Got the big one on my 5ft tank. Never had any problems with them. The light setup has 2 white lights and 2 blue lights. They have separate switches so may just run the two white lights which will give me 48 watts and yeah its ~25 US Gallons.

Just thinking...have they sent me a marine light? Those two blue bulbs would have been better red no?

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Yeah, they might have.
Blue=actinic which is meant for saltwater/Coral. Planted tank lights are generally all white (~6500k like what i have) or half white and half Pink. Id suggest swapping them two bulbs out for FW bulbs if you plan on using all 4.
Youd probably be better off using 2 out of the 4 bulbs if you dont have co2. 48W For a 25G Seems good to me, haha.
Yo could always take out 1 bulb so that only 3 are on. The actinic bulb wont hurt,i dont think, but its not as beneficial in a planted tank as a plant bulb would be.
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