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my water is acid and gh/kh low

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I just tested my water in 54g tank and realized that my ph is really low, like below 6 probably. The gh/kh is also low, probably less than one. I really want to get the co2 going but it will probably kill all my fish with the water so soft.

Will adding coral to my filter help or should I be using some sort of hardening salts instead?

I have also been adding excel for the last few days, could this be fooling with my pH reading?

thanks. Kara
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Excel isn't going to mess with your readings. Many people here have less hardness than you and do fine. Some watch pH drop off the chart after adding CO2 and see no adverse effect on livestock, their success stems from pH stability. Keep in mind that many species we keep are found in very soft waters where pH is close to 4 or 5. It's a CO2 overdose or constant pH swings that will kill fish. If you're uncomfortable with your hardness, raise KH with a few pinches of baking soda per 5gl change water (be sure to set a measurement for yourself so as to be consistent with every change) and add a teaspoon or so of cheap GH booster consisting of a calcium and magnesium solution to bring the GH up a bit. Stay away from anything sold at big box pet stores or anything called pH Up or alkalinity buffer, it's most likely an over priced bottle of bicarb (baking soda) or even something inferior that has you going out to buy more early in the game, I used to wonder why my pH fluctuated while I used that junk, it's a losing battle. You can also raise GH with calcium carbonate and epsom salt for magnesium, a bit more effort, but probably cheaper in the long run than a store bought solution, and possibly superior depending on what solution you wind up with.
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What is the pH and KH of the water combing from your tap? If it's the same as the tank...
I agree with jaidexl. there are plenty of people with very soft water running very successful CO2 supplemented tanks without adding other buffers to the water. Adding these buffers jusy makes everything fluctuate, and adds to your TDS (total dissolved Solids) which IME stress fish more.

Now, it the water from your tap has a much higher pH & KH, there is an acid in your tank driving things down. Could be leaching driftwood, substrate, dead fish, decomposing organic matter etc... If that's the case you need to find out why, and fix it.
My tap is about 6.8 ph and gh is about 1 or so. We have naturally soft water here with low TDS. I do have driftwood in the tank that could be contributing to the lower pH.

I know most of the fish I have chosen are happy enough with the pH, (rummy nose, red-eye tetras, zebra danios, cories?). the Mollies may not be thrilled but they are surviving and making a few babies here and there.

I think I will run some coral through the filter, a good bio media as well as adding some hardness to water and see how that works. I would like to increase the hardness more than change the pH just to help stabilize the water a bit more.

Thanks. Kara
Good idea forgetting about the pH, especially when you're dealing with tap water from a treatment plant, they like to add stuff that plays games with pH. Keep in mind that this stuff precipitates out of the water over a 24-48 hour period of time. So, many who leave a bucket of tap water out over night will find that the initial pH has shifted up or down, usually down from what I read and in my own experience. Mine comes out at 8 and settles around 7.2 within 24 hours in a bucket. I used to worry about adding that to my tank right off since the tanks level at 7-7.2 without CO2 injection, then I found out it's just soda ash from the treatment plant, and probably aeration/O2 saturation, the fish don't care about it, the hardness is still the same, so adding the 8.0 water right off hasn't done any harm in over a year. If the pH adjuster manufacturers explained any of this they wouldn't make any money.

I'd either choose coral or buffering with baking soda and Ca/MG, not both. The downside of coral is that you can't totally control what it leaches, and it's usually seen in african cichlid tanks where the intention is to shoot hardness as high as it will go. Adding your own BS, Ca, an MG allows you to keep control of softer parameters which can be ideal for a lot of popular plants and fish species. the downside is that you have to take a few minutes out of change time to add them, and test the levels until you figure out how much the water will change from what you add.
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I have super soft water out of the tap and run CO2 on many of my tanks without any problems. My pH is somewhere less than 6 all the time (that's as low as my test kit goes). None of my fish mind.

Its really tricky introducing new fish to pH that low, but for the fish that are used to it, they're fine. I don't mess with it. I did more damage to my fish with irregular addition of baking soda and the resulting pH swings.

When you have kh or three or four, and you bump it up to five or six, the resulting pH swing is very little. But bringing it up from zero to one degree can cause as much as a full point in pH swing. In the end I have learned not to mess with it. I do add CaCl and epsom salts for Mg (general hardness, which has no effect on pH), otherwise my plants start to show deficiencies.
If you're uncomfortable with your hardness, raise KH with a few pinches of baking soda per 5gl change water (be sure to set a measurement for yourself so as to be consistent with every change) and add a teaspoon or so of cheap GH booster consisting of a calcium and magnesium solution to bring the GH up a bit.
I just wanted to clarify that I mean "pinches per 5gl" of change water, don't calculate your tank's complete volume and try to raise the entire tank at once. Just do the change water every week and let the tank increase over time. Should you choose to start buffering, that's the safest way, doing the entire tank in one or two sittings can easily kill your fish. I've even dissolved plants that way, at least that was a known factor when they dissolved.
I have super soft water out of the tap and run CO2 on many of my tanks without any problems. My pH is somewhere less than 6 all the time (that's as low as my test kit goes). None of my fish mind.

Its really tricky introducing new fish to pH that low, but for the fish that are used to it, they're fine. I don't mess with it. I did more damage to my fish with irregular addition of baking soda and the resulting pH swings.

When you have kh or three or four, and you bump it up to five or six, the resulting pH swing is very little. But bringing it up from zero to one degree can cause as much as a full point in pH swing. In the end I have learned not to mess with it. I do add CaCl and epsom salts for Mg (general hardness, which has no effect on pH), otherwise my plants start to show deficiencies.
Glad you chimed in here since I haven't had soft water since I moved out of the city, and I wasn't CO2 injecting them then.
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