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I purchased a trio of kribs tonight from my LFS. I checked the internet for info on sexing, but found conflicting info. What I have are two fish with rounded dorsal fins with a single dot, the third has a pointed dorsal fin with no dot. Is the pinkish/purple belly the only way to truly tell?
 

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Here's a couple pics, not sure if it's the same fish or not. I couldn't get a pic of the third one yet as he/she likes to hide most of the time. You can see the big one hiding in the back of the first pic.



 

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I'm going to say they're females, as well. Their bellies are pretty rounded which is characteristic of females. Also, the males not only get some color in their bellies, but also in their chin.

Take a look at this picture to see the female's rounded belly and the male's chin color:
http://www.akvariumas.lt/zuvys/cichlidae/pelvicachromis/images/pelvicachromis_pulcher2.jpg

I am assuming these are the traditional Kribs, Pelvicachromis pulcher. Also, all red coloring is from breeding and may not always be exhibited at all times.
 

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Thanks for the input. I think I'll be alright with this trio. The third krib (camera shy) has the pointed fins and is skinnier relative to body size. I think I may have 2 females and 1 male. Should I try to pick up an extra male or keep the trio I have? or maybe take one of the females back? These three will eventually be housed in a 75 gal with one difinitive cave, but I already plan on making another rock cave on the other end of the tank.
 

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Kribs are selective in their choice of mates. Give them some time and watch them closely. If you find the male and one of the females beginning to pair off, remove the other female. They will kill her otherwise.

I would only consider a second pair of Kribs in a large tank. I'm trying to get away with 3 pairs in my 75g. They killed one female pretty quickly so I have one very strong pair, a second less strong pair, and an odd male. I think I'm going to trade him in for a compatible pair (watch them at the store for a long time) and try them once more in the 75g. If that doesn't work, then I'll have to stick with just 2 pairs and put the 3rd pair in my other tank.

To have the best chance of success, be sure to offer lots of caves and heavy planting so each pair can have its own territory. And like all fish (and people), it's a mixed bag at how aggressive a Krib might be. Some demand the entire tank as their territory while others pick a smaller area.

If you see any of the Kribs truly fighting, separate them and return one of them. They are semi-aggressive for the most part, but when it's mating time, they demonstrate very clearly why they are in the category of cichlids. They can and will kill a competing Krib overnight.
 

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Here's some pics of what I believe to be the male.







and his makeshift cave in the QT tank. He has claimed both the PVC pipe and the space under the rock and defends it quite aggressively from the other kribs. Is this normal behavior? He leaves the danios alone for the most part.

 

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Yeah that one looks like a boy to me. If he doesn't like the females thats normal. They may eventually pair off which when they do you would want to remove the odd one out. Also if the females are young they may not be breeding age yet so he would be defending it until a females that is ready appears.
 

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Yup, that's a male. And the behavior you described is very normal. If he's with the two females, he may pick one as his mate and kill the other or he may kill them both, depending on how large the tank is and how easily the females can get away.

The pvc pipe and the space under the rock is one in the same as far as his territory is considered. In my 75g, the male Kienke takes about 3/4 of the tank for his territory which he shares with his mate. The other 3 kribs share the rest of the tank. If they go into the male Kienke's territory, he is very quick at chasing them all the way to the other side of the tank.

The two females have also began to squabble a bit over territory. If the Kienke female ventures into the other's territory while trying to impress any male, including her own mate, the other female krib gets very angry and they start fighting. They don't chase each other across the tank, but swirl around in circles, trying to bite each other. This behavior has only begun as the other female as matured enough to be very active in trying to breed. Before, when she was younger, she didn't care much. But she obviously cares now.

I'm hoping that I don't end up with another one killed. I'd be extremely upset if either of my Kienkes got hurt, or worse, killed. They are the most beautiful pair I have ever seen. The female gets so dark, she turns from crimson to a deep purple to almost black!
 

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Jumping: Not that I have ever heard of. They tend to stay in the bottom to middle of the tank. I suppose it can happen, but I would expect it to be a very rare event.
 

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I have kept Kribs for several years now, and can tell you that they are definatly an interesting Fish to keep, and easily breed in a community tank.

The last poster was correct in saying that it would be a very rare case that you would get one that would jump out of your tank.
They are mainly bottom dwellers, and love to hide in their caves most of the time, you definatly have 1 male and 2 females in there. If your tank is big enough I would provide atleast 2 caves if not more.

I have never had a problem with them pairing off and breeding, but when they are ready to, they will get very territorial, and become over protective around their breeding area of the tank.

Although they have never killed off any of their other tankmates, it is possible. They mostly just dart after them, but never engage in any physical attacks on other fish in my setup,but this could also stress the other tank mates to the point of harming them, or even dying in that sense.
So be careful if adding other tank mates, most likely if your tank is large enough, they will just stay far away from your kribs that are breeding.

As far as sexing goes, the usual tell tale sign that you have a male, or female adult Krib is their tail fin,and the coloring. While both can be very colorful and attractive fish, the females tend to have a very bright yellowish coloring to them, and are much smaller in size compared to the opposite sex.
As for the males,most types I have come across are not as colorful as the females, but thats not to say they arent as nice looking as their female counterparts, The males tend to not have much yellow color to them, if any at all, but Ive noticed more of a shade of orange on their dorsal, and tail fins.

Both of them will have red bellies when they are exited, especially when breeding, the female will have its bottom fins tucked in the make her belly apear much larger,and her coloring will get a very deep pink-purplish color.
A good sign that your female is ready to breed would be her showing off to your Male in this way, The females will even do this little courtship dance of swaying back and forth to attract the male, its very interesting to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cn-w8mkShQ&feature=related

I mentional sexing them by their tail fins, but I thought I'd save this for sexing Juvenile Kribs, its a bit harder to tell them apart based on color alone, since they will not show any for atleast two months.
Its actually quite easy to tell them apart even at 3 weeks old just looking at their tail fins, The female will have a tail shaped like a half circle fan, while the males will have a tail fin shaped like a Diamond,or Spade,"think ace of Spades in a deck of cards".

Hope that helps some, if you have any other questions on Kribs, drop me a line.
 

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Thanks for all the info and for the video, it was educational and entertaining. The "dance" was too funny.

I tried making the second cave yesterday using the existing roots from the wood and a large rock, but it didn't work like I wanted it to. It looks more like an open air building with a roof rather than a cave. I think I need the smaller rocks that I have in the QT tank. If that doesn't work, I'll just shove the PVC pipe in there and call it done.
 

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I had to pull my male from the QT tank last night. He was being a little s*** chasing the others around the tank. I think he decided both caves were his along with the entire tank. One of the females didn't quite look right and I'm afraid she may have been injured while being chased around the rocks. I'm not sure if I should take him back and get another or accept this is the way the males act. Once they go into the 75 gal, it will be hard (near impossible) to catch him.
 

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Well, now one of the females was being overly agressive in the QT tank. I pulled her out and put her in with the male in one of my nearly empty 40 breeders. I have a piece of wood already in there propped against the glass to make a cave but I dropped a few pieces of PVC in also. They seem to be more at peace with each other in the larger tank.

My question now becomes - what do I do with the remaining single female? Should I keep her and put all three in the 75 gal tank after QT? I'm not sure if these other two have formed a pair or not.
 
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