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Moving across country with my fish and plants - need advice

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I am moving from Indiana to New Mexico by car, and I was wondering about how best to transport my fish. I plan on spending 2 days on the road.

Is it OK to put them in regular plastic bags (the kind you get at the LFS) or do I need the kordon breather bag types?

I got a ton of the large sized bags from Petsmart and I was planning on filling them 1/3 with water and then using an air pump to fill the bag with air. I was planning on bagging all the fish and then putting them in a large tub insulated with blankets. At night I would open the bags up to get some fresh air for them.

Does this sound OK or will the fish suffocate? Does anyone have any suggestions?
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How many fish are we talking, and what kind?

If more than a few fish, I'd go with something more systematic - a large tank with a lid (rubbermaid type) and an airstone running on off your car battery. You'd definitely want to do kordon bags if you don't use an airstone.

Temperature is also a concern this time of year. At least use a cooler and have some long term warming packs and a thermometer or three on hand to keep things how you want them.
Do you have a lot of space? Depending on how much space you have and how much fish and plants, you can just buy a rubber tote and put them in there. Fill it up halfway with water and close the lid. If you have a DC to AC converter in your car, you can even plug in an airpump and use a box or sponge filter.
I've had shrimps sent to me, in those plastic bags. The shipping was almost 5 days and they were fine, but YMMV.
Thanks for the response guys. It will be quite a few fish...a bunch of various tetras (cardinal/rummy nose/ serpae/pristella), a couple bolivian rams, a trio of apistos, some corys.

The temperature shouldn't be a problem as I will have some heat packs and the rubbermaid tub will be insulated well. And it will be sitting in the passenger side with me.

I am concerned about putting all the fish in one of those totes though. The splashing and the crowdedness concerns me.

Do people ship fish in the plastic bags or is ALWAYS done with Kordon bags?
It depends on the shipper. It's cheaper to go with the plastic bags.
I wouldn't put the tote on the seat, i'd put the seat all the way back and put the tote on the floor and then slide the seat forward to make it snug. Only because if you drive and you suddenly slam on the breaks...you now have a tote with water still moving forward...and SPLASH. Since it will be cold and you will probably have the heater on, be weary on how much heat hits the tote.
I was planning the opposite actually, move the seat way up and have the tote snug between the seat and the dash board. I will make sure that it doesn't get any direct heat though, good point.
Maybe I explained it wrong, I think the end goal is the same for the both of us. I only say move the seat way back so that you can slide the tote in easily, then slowly move the seat forward to have it snug between the seat and dash.
Yeah it basically amounts to the same thing. So I have been doing some reading online, and it seems that the the fish should be ok with the oxygen levels as long as the bag is about 2/3rds air especially if I recharge... I am now more concerned about the ammonia levels in the water by the end of the trip.

I was thinking of adding some activated carbon to the bags to soak up the ammonia over the short term.
I think you meant zeolite or ammonia chips. carbon will just make the water clear and smell better.
true blue..maybe I will try some ammo chips.
Maybe you could add Purigen to the bags?
to tell you the truth i like doing 5gal buckets with lids drilled in the center for air in/out. this way its much easyer to move in if your stayin overnight someplace and the lids are on tight. i wouldnt do bags over a container more of a pita. i have done this seveal times just got back from phx takin fish down and bringin some back. the ac/dc adapt is very handy just plug in your airpump and your done at night bring it inside cause it can get very cold in the car. i dont feed them befor the trip to makes for less waste to build up just a day or two of fasting and your good. also keep the bucket as full as u can so it dosent create a bunch of sloshing around. and really wash whatever your giong to use a day or two befor. and best tip of all dont speed though the reservations down there!!
I haven't driven across country with fish, but I have done a local move (in Chicagoland) during winter that took more than 2 hours and the traffic/roads were probably (hopefully) worse than you'll encounter enroute.

That being said, I highly recommend those sturdy orange 5 gallon Homer pails with lids from Home Depot. Use multiple Homer pails (assuming you have room in your car) to appropriately group the fish and be sure to buy a couple of extra lids just in case. IMHO the Homer pails (with handle) are much easier to work with than a large Rubbermaid container. If you are staying in a motel enroute, you will really appreciate this. And because the Homer pails are round, there are no corners for your fish to be trapped in/slammed up against when the inevitable quick stop/swerve happens. FWIW, I managed to place 2 of the 5G Homer pail in an oval 37G Sterlite container (purchased @5 years ago) and they fit like a hand inside a well-sized glove. The Sterlite container acted as an added layer of protection/insulation; Rubbermaid probably makes something similar, but the key is to be able to put multiple 5G Homer pails inside.

I also recommend bringing a battery-powered air pump with multiple airstones and appropriate connections if you have more than 1 Homer pail so that the single air pump can be used to provide air to multiple pails at the same time (if needed). Don't forget the checkvalves. If you're ambitious, before you start on your journey you can even pre-drill holes in the lids for the tubing (a cork/rubber stopper secured with duct tape can be used to prevent leaks when the air pump is not being used). Note that you might not need to use an air pump at all, depending upon how full of water the pail/container is, the fish load, etc., but if you don't use one be sure to periodically open the container and stir the water. Don't forget to securely cover the pail/container once you are finished.

At this time of year, your vehicle's heater will be the primary method for keeping the water at an acceptable temperature. Make sure that blower is working properly! Keep an air thermometer handy so you can easily tell what the air temperature is inside the car. You could bring an aquarium heater and a power inverter just in case, but don't count on either if you have car problems. Consider bringing a box of disposable hand warmers (the ones you squeeze the package to start the reaction that generates heat) and some quart-sized clear freezer bags. In an emergency situation, you could place 1 or more hand warmers inside a freezer bag and place the bag inside the pail/container for a period of time to warm up the water.

Since the fish will already be a bit jittery in their new (temporary) environment, you might choose to add a plastic plant or two into the pail/container to provide a hiding space. I recommend *NOT* adding gravel, rocks, other sharp objects to the same pail/container as the fish are being kept in. Ship those items in a separate pail/container. Also consider bringing a bottle of stress coat/water conditioner, some fish food, and a few easy-to-read aquarium thermometers.

I agree with Guppy - if you can, place the pail(s)/container on the floor of the back seat or in the cargo area of an SUV.

My final tip: if your route to New Mexico involves multiple toll roads, consider getting and activating an EZ Pass (or equivalent), which will allow you to by-pass the "cash-only" lines at the toll booths that accept these devices.

Good luck with your move.
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Thanks for all the tips guys! Time to come up with my game plan :)
Thanks for the response guys. It will be quite a few fish...a bunch of various tetras (cardinal/rummy nose/ serpae/pristella), a couple bolivian rams, a trio of apistos, some corys.

The temperature shouldn't be a problem as I will have some heat packs and the rubbermaid tub will be insulated well. And it will be sitting in the passenger side with me.

I am concerned about putting all the fish in one of those totes though. The splashing and the crowdedness concerns me.

Do people ship fish in the plastic bags or is ALWAYS done with Kordon bags?
Having done a south-to-north move, I chose to trade in all my fish for dry goods at the LFS - to me it wasn't worth the hassle. Moving the whole family, selling one house, buying another, towing a boat, etc - all made it seem like setting up the aquarium right away was not worth it. You might just look at that fish list and think about the retail cost of each versus what time/effort/$$ you'll spend trying to move them. My opinion is I'd keep the apistos, maybe the rams and the corys if they are a unique variety - otherwise back to the LFS (or give to a local hobbyist).

Kevin
Having done a south-to-north move, I chose to trade in all my fish for dry goods at the LFS - to me it wasn't worth the hassle. Moving the whole family, selling one house, buying another, towing a boat, etc - all made it seem like setting up the aquarium right away was not worth it. You might just look at that fish list and think about the retail cost of each versus what time/effort/$$ you'll spend trying to move them. My opinion is I'd keep the apistos, maybe the rams and the corys if they are a unique variety - otherwise back to the LFS (or give to a local hobbyist).

Kevin
+1 on leaving them behind but if you are gonna bring them along i would use a 5 gallon bucket with a battery operated air pump with a airstone which you can find at your local walmart in the fishing dept. Just my 2.
well i made it to albuquerque with only one casualty so far. A rummy nose tetra was belly up, but everyone else is doing well.

I am spending a day here before making the final 4 hour drive to southern colorado. Right now they are all enjoying the cozy confines of my 20 long. The bags worked but it was a PITA...so I think for the last leg I will keep them in a rubbermaid tub with a heater and a bubbler.

my plants on the other hand did not fair so well...but due entirely to my own stupidity. When I got to the hotel room last night I thought it would be a good idea to put the plants in the fridge...when I checked them this morning half of them were popsicles. I am so pissed at myself, after spending months and months collecting and cultivating these plants i destroy them in one fell swoop.... time to check out what albuquerque has to offer in terms of plant selection at the LFS'.
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i have moved some fish across country before and i found the five gallon bucket worked great for me. i moved 50 fish in total. my parents refused to give up their 200 gallon tank and i helped them move. we spaced the fish out over ten buckets and they rode in the back of my suv. the fish looked better than the dog did at the end of the trip. my buckets had air line attached to the top and glued in place so the water had plenty of movement but was sealed.
well i made it to albuquerque with only one casualty so far. A rummy nose tetra was belly up, but everyone else is doing well.

I am spending a day here before making the final 4 hour drive to southern colorado. Right now they are all enjoying the cozy confines of my 20 long. The bags worked but it was a PITA...so I think for the last leg I will keep them in a rubbermaid tub with a heater and a bubbler.

my plants on the other hand did not fair so well...but due entirely to my own stupidity. When I got to the hotel room last night I thought it would be a good idea to put the plants in the fridge...when I checked them this morning half of them were popsicles. I am so pissed at myself, after spending months and months collecting and cultivating these plants i destroy them in one fell swoop.... time to check out what albuquerque has to offer in terms of plant selection at the LFS'.

Hope you made it to your final destination without any further casualties. Sorry to hear about your plants. Chalk that one up to fatigue or the thin air in Albuquerque.

Keep that large Rubbermaid tote/storage (w/airtight lid) at your new location. This is your emergency aquarium should you ever need it - like when a very young relative desparately wants to attract the attention of the fish and taps a bit too hard on the glass...
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