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Well I posted that my mom said I can set up a 5g for her. Well We got rid of alot of stuff and we have room for a 20L(36" of room). I still wanted to go with a SA theme and I have a little more room to do so. I was thinking of some tetras, catfish, and a cichlid. Here is my plan(please tell me if you feel it may not work).

Lighting: Looking at around 3wpg
Substrate: Eco-Conplete
Flora: HC, Pennywort(cant think of any others)
Fauna: 1 Angelfish, 7 Bleeding Heart Tetras, 4 Albino Corys

I want it simple and pleasing and that is why I chose something like this. Anyone think this is pushing the limits?
 

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CO2? You'll be pushing the limits when you want 3 WPG without CO2 in a 20 gallon tank.
Forgot about adding CO2. I will be getting a start up on pressurized just to see if I can correctly maintain a CO2 tank. I got a list of things needed. But Im just concerned about Stocking an Angelfish in a 20L as I always heard put in larger tanks but seen many 20L with them.
 

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I would get 6-8 emperor tetras, a pair of rams,apistos or checkerboards, and either 6-8 smaller cories, or a few small cats S/A banjos, oil cats, or glass cats.
And i would add a few ottos, and maybe a couple small dwarf plecos, L333? clowns?
 

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I would skip the angel, they get a bit too tall for a 20 long. I would get more tetras too, about nine or ten.
 

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I agree w/yoink, the angel is too big for the 20. i think the bigger tetras are too (BH tetras are pretty big imo), they need a lot of space, they school, they're big, and they like to swim, meaning they scream big tank.

I always go for oddballs, they are almost always interesting.
Here's the oil cat- http://www.petsolutions.com/Oil+Catfish-I-48183-I-C-40001574-C-.aspx

Clown plec- http://www.petsolutions.com/Clown+Plecostomus-I-47110-I-C-40001574-C-.aspx

L333- http://www.petsolutions.com/King+Tiger+Plecostomus+(L+066+L+333)-I-47080-I-C-40001574-C-.aspx

Banjo cat- http://www.petsolutions.com/Banjo+Catfish-I-48020-I-C-40001574-C-.aspx

Bumble bee cat(carefull with small fish)- http://www.petsolutions.com/Bumble+Bee+Catfish-I-48030-I-C-40001574-C-.aspx

'pisto's- http://www.petsolutions.com/Cockatoo+Cichlid-I-35650-I-C-40001578-C-.aspx

Tetras

BH- http://www.petsolutions.com/Bleeding+Heart+Tetra-I-39000-I-C-40001603-C-.aspx

Serpae- http://www.petsolutions.com/Longfin+Serpae+Tetra-I-41410-I-C-40001603-C-.aspx

for a little difference, hatchets- http://www.petsolutions.com/Hatchetfish-C-40001584-C-.aspx (may be too small a tank for them though.)

And of course, IMO, the king, or shoul i say- emperor of tetras- http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?pCatId=899

Of course, you can always fall back on neons and cards- http://www.petsolutions.com/Cardinal+Tetra-I-39420-I-C-40001603-C-.aspx

checkerboard cichlid- http://www.franksaquarium.com/cichlid.htm

another "driftwood cat"(like the oil cat)- http://www.corysrus.com/gallery_oc_1.htm
 

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Could you do something along the lines of a 40g breeder? It's still 36" and provides a ton of room for scaping and fish. I love mine. My next reef tank will even be a 40g breeder.
 

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I would get 6-8 emperor tetras, a pair of rams,apistos or checkerboards, and either 6-8 smaller cories, or a few small cats S/A banjos, oil cats, or glass cats.
And i would add a few ottos, and maybe a couple small dwarf plecos, L333? clowns?
That's rather overstocked. Tetras like larger groups, and Emperors get about 2". The banjo species you describe gets over 5". Add in Apistos and and cories and you have a fairly overstocked tank.
 

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All the more nitrate bro.
The banjos are vary variable, there are species that don't get over 1", and some over 5", luck of the draw pretty much, but they won't eat small fish often.
Actually, when i suggested the Banjo cat, i was suggesting that as an alternative to cories.
in my mind, apisto pair, tetras, and cories comes to ~ 30" depending on cories.
Cichlid pair, tetras, and oddball cats ~ 24- 28". if you add the cories to this, it can get up to 40" with big cories, but i've had heavier stock than this, you could make it work, 25%-50% WC's weekly, lots of plants, lots of light+CO2 and it should be great.

With these fish, it could work terratorrily too, the tetras are mid to high level fish, the pistos are low to mid, and the cats are all low. it's overlapping, but they have niche's to get out of the company of others.
 

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I thought a 20Long was 30''?
And if your looking for an odd-ball, a pair of Buffalo Head cichlids would work too, they are pretty peaceful so you could put some community fish in there.
 

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they from west africa though aren't they?

He's looking for a biotope.
 

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From reading reviews I think I may be more interested in getting something along these lines:

Pair Rams/Apistos/Checkerboards(Need to look into on where to get some)
10 Serpaes or Emperor Tetras(Both are readily available here now lol)
4 Panda Corys or 1 Rubberlip Pleco(as these are relatively cheap locally)

Thanks you guys. Next month I am picking up the tank and I will start a thread on the progress of it starting from when I first got it til its officially planted. Thanks again everyone.
 

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Hi James!

That's wonderful news that you have the support from your Mom for a bigger tank! YEAH! Great for YOU! :thumbsup:

Concentrate first on good hardware, and a healthy plant mass. Then the fish. Of course, dream about the fish, and study up on different species; BUT take your time making your finally selections. I think a pair of rams or apistos would be stunningly beautiful. A 20 long is perfect to feature dwarf cichlids. By all means don't overstock the tank or it can look too busy - much too quickly.

I agree that a 20 long is too small for angelfish. Also, while I really do love my emperor tetras (5 housed in a 35g) they are fiesty and ornery. My male emperor regularly sizes up, challenges and spars with my male Apistogramma agasizzi. I wonder if its because they both have a prominent dark horizontal banding; or else, emperors are just fiesty. However, I am actually setting up another tank right now to move the emperors out, away from my apisto pair. (I will NOT publicly admit to how many tanks I now have set up!!!) Serape tetras are also known to be bad fin nippers.

Your tank will look bigger if you go with a small size tetra like neons, but in a bigger group: ie., ten neons @ 1" ea = 10" vs., five lemon tetras @ 2" ea = 10" of fish.

Remember the proverb: patience is a virtue; it is an absolutely golden rule in the aquarium hobby. I've always gotten into big trouble when I rush things:icon_sad:!!
 

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Hi James!

That's wonderful news that you have the support from your Mom for a bigger tank! YEAH! Great for YOU! :thumbsup:

Concentrate first on good hardware, and a healthy plant mass. Then the fish. Of course, dream about the fish, and study up on different species; BUT take your time making your finally selections. I think a pair of rams or apistos would be stunningly beautiful. A 20 long is perfect to feature dwarf cichlids. By all means don't overstock the tank or it can look too busy - much too quickly.

I agree that a 20 long is too small for angelfish. Also, while I really do love my emperor tetras (5 housed in a 35g) they are fiesty and ornery. My male emperor regularly sizes up, challenges and spars with my male Apistogramma agasizzi. I wonder if its because they both have a prominent dark horizontal banding; or else, emperors are just fiesty. However, I am actually setting up another tank right now to move the emperors out, away from my apisto pair. (I will NOT publicly admit to how many tanks I now have set up!!!) Serape tetras are also known to be bad fin nippers.

Your tank will look bigger if you go with a small size tetra like neons, but in a bigger group: ie., ten neons @ 1" ea = 10" vs., five lemon tetras @ 2" ea = 10" of fish.

Remember the proverb: patience is a virtue; it is an absolutely golden rule in the aquarium hobby. I've always gotten into big trouble when I rush things:icon_sad:!!
Well I decided to go for a 10g instead as I have to take care of Tanks at work and that had drained me lol. Mostly cause of Algae. I guess I cant really get out of nanos lol. But if I can still do a 20L I will. My funds are opening up now too.
 

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I think you're making a mistake setting up another ten. i see why you would, but i think you will get tired of tens fast. i'd just wait till you have the funds, gather stuff over time, and go for the 20l.
SA in a ten is a little tough, rams get a little aggressive in a ten with other fish, and you can't really have a good school of tetras.
 

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I think you're making a mistake setting up another ten. i see why you would, but i think you will get tired of tens fast. i'd just wait till you have the funds, gather stuff over time, and go for the 20l.
SA in a ten is a little tough, rams get a little aggressive in a ten with other fish, and you can't really have a good school of tetras.
Well if I did a 10 I would have just a pair of Apistos. But like I said, I still may get the 20g as I want a bigger tank but these 8 15g or so tanks wear me out right now so things are going to go slowly.
 
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