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Is it true that theres really only three species of bucephalandra? Do they all flower exactly the same? The one thing that bugs me is the inconsistent naming, its like everybody tries to put there own name on theirs.
 
Is it true that theres really only three species of bucephalandra? Do they all flower exactly the same? The one thing that bugs me is the inconsistent naming, its like everybody tries to put there own name on theirs.

Its only inconsistent because they haven't been classified. From the leaf textures, shapes, and colors that I have in my tank (around 20+ types) it would seem that there are more than 3 species. There are 3 known classified ones, yes. But I don't think that is to say that there aren't many more out there. The whole getting classified by the scientific community takes time, so I'm not gonna bank on that for a while. Until then, I will go by the common names. The best thing we as hobbyists could do is to not continually make up our own names... as previously mentioned... Even if some of the names are wacky already, just use those and keep those circulating, it would cause much less confusion. That way if I have Fake Catherine, I know that I have fake catherine. I know there is no official list, but I personally just go by the importer's trade names that they sell them as. If you look at the more common names, like the ones in Vasteq's portfolio, it helps too. Just my two cents...

Also in response to the comments about Vasteq's photos, his contrast is definitely turned up, however, I have many buces that display colors just as vibrant as his photos. Very rich blues, and reds. I'm glad buces are starting to get more popular here at TPT, one step further to getting them actually classified!

Joshua
 
A quick overview:

All Bucephalandra are rhizome plants, and should be planted either with roots into substrate without covering the rhizome, or attached to wood or rock. The roots will attach very firmly to either.

CO2: Buce requires a good source of CO2. Injected CO2 gas is ideal, but alternate sources such as excel does also work. I've grown buce in a tank using nothing but excel, but growth was significantly slower, with smaller leaves, and almost no new growing points to form new plants.

Splitting: Buce can be split and propogated much like Anubias. Rhizomes can be cut, and new plants can form at any point along a rhizome. Once new plants start to generate their own roots, you can cut them from the rhizome to grow on it's own.

Acclimating: Buce does not like changing conditions. It will often lose a good number of leaves when being placed into a new aquarium. A tank with good levels of CO2 definitely helps prevent too much loss.


Buce Addicts wanted!
so i wanted comment on these things as my experience would disagree with them.

i've understood that buce is most similar to growing anubias, but the difference that i've seen is that is more like a stem plant because it doesn't have a rhizome. one of my healthiest (and oldest) is just stuck straight in the substrate. when i look at them i don't see a rhizome like the anubias has.

CO2:As far as CO2 is concerned, it def does not require it to do well. my tank has no CO2, it is high O2, and did not get dosed excel. two water changes ago i started adding a little excel with the clean water, but there is no other excel dosing and the growth hasn't changed.


Splitting: so I can just cut the plant at any point and stick it back in the substrate just like any other stem or anubias?


any who those are just my thoughts and experiences.
 
... I'm glad buces are starting to get more popular here at TPT, one step further to getting them actually classified!

Joshua

Im surprised how long its taking to circulate into the hobby. If I remember correctly, Ive seen forum posts from 2006 when I google searched the plant a few months ago. I find it cool that we have anabuis nana and now buce.
 
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I adjusted the CO2 entry in the first post due to the feedback. Thanks!!

I think it's actually the fact there is a ton of different "types" that is keeping it from getting too prevalent. There is no one type getting a ton of attention and being grown by tons of people.
 
Also Eric, there are some Buces, that I have, one being Buce Bukit Betung, that does not produce side babies like other buces or anubias, I've actually had it for a year and it grow very much like a palm tree, the base of the "tree" gets longer and longer like a trunk, and it only produces leaves at the top of the "trunk" stem. It actually is a pretty cool plant lol. But just thought I'd throw in that some buce species do not make baby plants the normal way, I'm still looking for how to reproduce this one, any ideas?
Joshua
 
Im surprised how long its taking to circulate into the hobby. If I remember correctly, Ive seen forum posts from 2006 when I google searched the plant a few months ago. I find it cool that we have anabuis nana and now buce.
From what i have gathered from some other sources i have purchased from, they have been around for a few years however used to be a hundred plus dollars per plant. Now we're seeing them all under a $100, for the most part with a large variety and most being under $30. It really is great that they are getting out there now though, because they are so unique to me. We also have some great members on here who have propogated them and have them available at lower and lower prices, some have even been RAOK'd *cough* OP *cough* :D its good to share so more people get to experience new and exotic flora and fauna!

Also Eric, there are some Buces, that I have, one being Buce Bukit Betung, that does not produce side babies like other buces or anubias, I've actually had it for a year and it grow very much like a palm tree, the base of the "tree" gets longer and longer like a trunk, and it only produces leaves at the top of the "trunk" stem. It actually is a pretty cool plant lol. But just thought I'd throw in that some buce species do not make baby plants the normal way, I'm still looking for how to reproduce this one, any ideas?
Joshua
That does sound really cool, Josh. I'd love to see some pics. Off the top of my head i have two ideas, one is probly a little too big of a risk but i'll throw it out there lol

1. Top it mid trunk and try and get the top to root, hopefully the remaining trunk will start to produce new leaves (This would be that last resort method IMO)

B. Depending on how large the root system is, maybe lop of a large chunk of root/roots and try to get something to take off from that? This method shouldn't hurt your plant.

Just my 2 pennies :D
 
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I have seen some of those really upright buce, but never had one myself! I'd love to see photos. I agree with Duck though, if you can cut the rhizome at the other end from where it's growing, making sure both pieces have roots, I bet you the leafless rhizome might be forced to grown new plants. Worth a try, the cut probably won't do any harm to the original.

Yeah, it's great the prices are coming down, I'm doing my best to help that trend it seems, lol. But at the same time my best to get way more people addicted ;)
 
Im surprised how long its taking to circulate into the hobby. If I remember correctly, Ive seen forum posts from 2006 when I google searched the plant a few months ago. I find it cool that we have anabuis nana and now buce.
not jumping on the bandwagon yet till they get the scientific names sorted out , claims to be rare , but how rare is it ? considering the price one small clump it commands
 
i don't think it is as rare as people claim it to be. if you search the internet you will find hundreds of tanks that are full of nothing but buces.

i think the "rare" claim is coming from the lack of a viable supplier stateside. most of the sellers i run into/see selling, are from indonisea, malasya, thailand, etc. they seem to have unlimited supply, where as the people who actually sell locally only have a limited supply.
 
i don't think it is as rare as people claim it to be. if you search the internet you will find hundreds of tanks that are full of nothing but buces.

i think the "rare" claim is coming from the lack of a viable supplier stateside. most of the sellers i run into/see selling, are from indonisea, malasya, thailand, etc. they seem to have unlimited supply, where as the people who actually sell locally only have a limited supply.
seriously i dont mind paying top dollars for a rare fish , but plants ? what overheads they got , all they need is a trekking outfit and a spade , the plant stay there stationary waiting to be dug out
 
I will rather pay for beautiful plants...than fish. If you're into planted tanks and aquascaping, then plants play the main role and focal point on the tanks...not fish/shrimps/snails (which are used for cleaning purpose)
The point here is depends on what you are interested in: keeping fish or doing planted aquascapes
 
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I took a few more photos as well.

Mini Penelope
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Lamandau
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Theia 5 (it seems to be one of the smaller Theia types)
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Red Cherry (one of the rounder leaves I've seen for Buce)
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Super Mini Catherine (I haven't seen any other Buce this consistently small, been growing bunches of this for a long time, and it stays tiny)
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I will rather pay for beautiful plants...than fish. If you're into planted tanks and aquascaping, then plants play the main role and focal point on the tanks...not fish/shrimps/snails (which are used for cleaning purpose)
The point here is depends on what you are interested in: keeping fish or doing planted aquascapes
Agreed brother! Plants always come first in a tank for me. Then there's the guaranteed nerite snails amano shrimp and bn plecos. Maybe, maybe then I'll add some fish. That's how my latest buce scape tank was done.


Nice buces fellas! Check out the portfolio link in my sig for a wallop of buce pics.
Joshua
 
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