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Is it appropriate to turn of CO2 at night?

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I was curious to know it was a good idea to disconnect my DIY CO2 at night after the aquarium lights go off. I am using a 2 liter bottle with sugar and yeast and tank water. I read that plants do not need CO2 at night and was wondering if CO2 at night (when plants are not using any CO2) builds up and was harmful to my fish.

Also, I cannot really afford to buy more electrical equipment such as other pumps like aerators to agitate the water at night (my betta fish do not like all of that agitation also). This is because I have five tanks on one wall that are using 20 plug outlets. With my lighting, heating and filtration I have no more room to plug in more devices. So I thought my approach (although very ghetto) of manually disconnecting the CO2 was my next safe alternative.

Hope to get your feedback,
thanks.
Adrien
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I don't think it'll work out for you cuz if you "disconnect" the tube, all of that built up/pressurized CO2 in the bottle will escape. Then it'll take a while for the CO2 to build up again in the bottle the following morning.

I'd just leave it in overnight and maybe increase the surface agitation.
Right, but I am not aware of how I can increase the surface agitation without bothering my bettas and without having to use more electrical outlets since I really do not have room for anything else to plug in.

Maybe I can find a way to divert the flow of CO2 in the tanks into the air and not into the tanks and not lose the pressure of my CO2 in the plastic 2 liter bottles. I have plenty of terrestrial plants in my home that would probably love that. :hihi:
It's rare that DIY CO2 can gas fish, you just can't usually achieve high enough levels in a tank.

I think as long as your filter is creating enough movement across the surface of your tank you shouldn't have to worry about O2 or CO2 levels.

Normally I'd recommend running an airstone at night (and a betta shouldn't have issues with a weak current coming from an airstone), but if you don't have an extra outlet for an airpump I guess that's not an option.

Though are you sure you don't have room to add a power strip to add to your available outlets?
I'm interested in this too. I'm going to set up my new CO2 when it arrives UPS (tomorrow!). Normally, I have the timer set to run the lights and fan during the day, and a nice airstone during the night. I like this because it aerates the water well and has a bit of effect on the currents so during the night the plants sway ever so slightly in a different direction, etc. I always feel like airstones help keep the water healthy, but that's just a feeling.

Now I'm setting up pressurized CO2. I've decided to forgo the ph monitor for now, and just run the CO2 during the night. My inclination is to let the airstone run at night, as usual, but I'm not sure if that's the way to go.
When running pressurized CO2, I definitely recommend that the CO2 go on a timer to shut off at night and that an airstone on a complementary timer come on.

Otherwise you run serious risks of gassing your fish.

Plants not only RELEASE CO2 but they ABSORB O2 at night- so fish run both the risk of suffocation from lack of O2 AND CO2 poisoning. Both issues affect their respiratory system, so can be very stressful for them.

The risk is much higher when using pressurized CO2 systems, as these can easily reach and exceed CO2 levels that kill livestock. Plus the increased risk of mechanical/equipment failure...

Running that airstone is IMO a good safety precaution.
As mentioned its hard to gas out fish with DIY co2. But it is super hard to gas out a Betta.
I may be mistaken here, but as long as the fish don't start gasping for O2, they should be fine, and that running CO2 at night will increase the CO2 water saturation, so when the lights come on and plants start to absorb the CO2, that extra CO2 in the water column will do the plants good.

Meaning, as long as the fish don't appear to suffer, running CO2 overnight is not only not bad, but would be better for the plants than not running it?
I may be mistaken here, but as long as the fish don't start gasping for O2, they should be fine, and that running CO2 at night will increase the CO2 water saturation, so when the lights come on and plants start to absorb the CO2, that extra CO2 in the water column will do the plants good.

Meaning, as long as the fish don't appear to suffer, running CO2 overnight is not only not bad, but would be better for the plants than not running it?
This is very ambiguous, though. It really depends on the rate in which CO2 is entering the tank and seeping out through the surface - only with that info can you determine what the levels might be.

For example, say I run a high rate of CO2 during the day and the fish are fine as long as I turn it off at night to let it off gass for a while. Perhaps if I didn't turn it off at night, the CO2 would slowly build and gas the first.

Or,like you said I could run the CO2 so perfectly that the CO2 could run all night, slowly building CO2 concentration to the exact amount that would be used by the plants during the next day. It seems tricky to get this equilibrium, though.

To me, it seems wisest to turn on the CO2 before the lights come on and turn it off when they go off. That way, you use less CO2 and the tank has more time to let CO2 out to avoid gassing the first. An airstone would further ensure that the CO2 levels would go to ambient levels during the night.

But, is there a concern with either ph swinging from the on/off/airstone cycle? Any other concerns?
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Thanks for the responses everyone. You are helping me a lot.

I am also concerned with ph level fluctuations. I am not sure how one stabilizes pH when it comes to lights on or off and CO2 on and off.

I think I can figure out an easy solution to decrease the levels of CO2 in my tanks at night and not losing pressure in my DIY 2 liter CO2 bottles.

I have the Tom's Dive Clean 85-1 filters. There is a nozzle right above the flow exhaust. It is made to attach tubing and to allow the tubing to be placed above and outside the tank. This creates an effect like an air stone. I thought I could have this attached but capped closed during the day and then open it while the lights are off. It is more powerful than an air stone and creates a ton of air bubbles. The only drawback is that I would always have to manually open them up every night and close them during the day.

I guess it would be easier to buy an air pump and run air stones in each tank on one timer. It is just that I made a DIY hood light with two under cabinet T8 lamps per tank so that is 10 plugs right there. Then I have five heaters (which hardly ever go on because the lights create water temperatures of around 84 degrees - I have the heaters set at 81), and lastly the five filters going. So that is 20 plug ins. I guess, for stability's sake I can throw in an air pump and run it with multiple valves and disperse it over five tanks.
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pH fluctuations from CO2 injection have no effect on the livestock in the tank.

There is absolutely no reason to run CO2 at night. The plants don't use it and it just keeps the CO2 levels in the fishes' bloodstream elevated. The more O2 the fish have available at night the higher the O2 level in their blood when lights come on making it easier for them to tolerate the higher CO2 levels during the photoperiod.

If you have proper surface agitation going 24/7 and are injecting safe levels of CO2 during the day (green color in a drop checker) there is no need to run an airstone at night or increase surface agitation each night.
pH fluctuations from CO2 injection have no effect on the livestock in the tank.

There is absolutely no reason to run CO2 at night. The plants don't use it and it just keeps the CO2 levels in the fishes' bloodstream elevated. The more O2 the fish have available at night the higher the O2 level in their blood when lights come on making it easier for them to tolerate the higher CO2 levels during the photoperiod.
Agreed.

And if you value your plants more than your livestock, sure, go ahead and keep running the CO2 at night.

The airstone may or may not be needed- but since I personally value livestock much more than plants, I would always use one if I ran CO2 in any of my tanks.

Just depends on your priorities.
But it is super hard to gas out a Betta.
Bettas are just as prone to CO2 poisoning as any other fish. The CO2 builds up in the blood and makes the blood unable to absorb O2. So it wouldn't be any advantage that the Betta could go to the surface for air- its blood still wouldn't be able to absorb it.
It's rare that DIY CO2 can gas fish, you just can't usually achieve high enough levels in a tank.
My dead cories and otos beg to differ. I managed to gass them with no problems at all.
Bubble the CO2 into a small power head during he day, connect the powerhead to the light timer, when the lights are off, the bubbles simply escape, no CO2 added to the water.

Very simple solution.

Make sure to prevent the brew from being sucked into the impeller/powqerhead due to positive suction, leave a 2" or so gap btw the CO2 bubbling in, and the suction side of the powerhead.

PowerHead

Then 2" below

DIY CO2 source

Regards,
Tom Barr
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Don't run CO2 at night. It's a waste. Even if you don't gas the fish, it's kind of like continuing to pour water into a bucket when it's already full.
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