Interesting article for general discussion

very intriguing. I didn't read through it completely but I think the biggest dangers to our hobby is the disease and environmental impact. That's why it is so important for hobbyist, novice and experts to understand the potential impact they may have.

Mizuhuman said:

very intriguing. I didn't read through it completely but I think the biggest dangers to our hobby is the disease and environmental impact. That's why it is so important for hobbyist, novice and experts to understand the potential impact they may have.

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Agreed. Ive seen several documentarys where now in the Amazon huge barges bring not fish for eating, but fish for the hobby trade out of the wild. Same is happening in many other pristine places so that a 10 year old can have a fish for a few months and watch it die. I try really hard to get fishes that are bred in captivity.

The other part that gets me some time is the sustainability of it (esp marine). The products needed to keep a thriving aqaurium seem like are not produced in the most enviromentally friendly way.

Also, CO2 is one of the biggest factors in gloabl warming and we pump it daily. Also the fact its made from fossil fuels isnt a big plus..

If natural systems are well managed, then this is better than damns, illegal and legal logging, palm plantations, Cattle grazing etc...........

The hobby can help provide some economic resources for the land to stay in it;s ecosystem functional state, those other options? And they are coming like it or not................

Mirkinator said:

Agreed. Ive seen several documentarys where now in the Amazon huge barges bring not fish for eating, but fish for the hobby trade out of the wild. Same is happening in many other pristine places so that a 10 year old can have a fish for a few months and watch it die. I try really hard to get fishes that are bred in captivity.

The other part that gets me some time is the sustainability of it (esp marine). The products needed to keep a thriving aqaurium seem like are not produced in the most enviromentally friendly way.

Also, CO2 is one of the biggest factors in gloabl warming and we pump it daily. Also the fact its made from fossil fuels isnt a big plus..

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Good point, but that beats growing certain high margin "cash crops" so that the locals can feed their families. Or arms trade or human trafficking. The list goes on and on.

Global warming debate aside, co2 does not come from fossil fuels only. It is naturally occurring gas and it's presence in the atmosphere is the basis of all known life.

The electricity that powers our green electric cars - where does it come from? Solar energy, tidal waves, wind generators?

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OVT said:

Good point, but that beats growing certain high margin "cash crops" so that the locals can feed their families. Or arms trade or human trafficking. The list goes on and on.

Global warming debate aside, co2 does not come from fossil fuels only. It is naturally occurring gas and it's presence in the atmosphere is the basis of all known life.

The electricity that powers our green electric cars - where does it come from? Solar energy, tidal waves, wind generators?

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Well i think either way it causes a reduction in the native populations, can cause species become endangered/extinct. Yes I agree with the "its not as bad as XXX" argument, but that doesnt mean its sustainable at all and and that its not detrimental to the environment. Just because something is worse doesnt mean it makes it ok.


For CO2, I talking about the production of industrial CO2 we buy to fill our tanks is mainly produced by a process using natural gas. But it would be really nice if some company came up with an industrial scrubber that could take it from the atmosphere.

And yes i agree we need to move towards cleaner energy infrastructure to get the full benefit of electric vehicles, but what point is that (from the perspective of transportation) if we are all still in gas cars?