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I bought a pair of albino bristle nose plecos on Jan. 23, 2007 and today I noticed one was looking really pale and ill. He's missing half his tail and has some weird sores on his body. One of the sores looks as if it was bleeding. My guess for the missing fins is tail rot and I have no idea what the body sores might be.

It tried my best to get a nice crisp picture of him. I drew a line where his tail should be (1) and circled the weird sores, They are really hard to see (2).




Here's some pics of a sick dwarf gourami that passed away over 6 months ago. All my dwarf gouramis died from this (7+) 6 months ago as well. I have reason to believe it's the same illness. Notice the tail rot and the body sores. On the second picture I circled a serious body sore. The scales are completely gone and you can see the meat.
I currently have two male dwarf gouramis that were born a couple days after all my adult dwarfs passed away and one seemed to have fin rot. I treated him with Melafix and Pimafix and the fin rot stopped but part of his dorsal fin never grew back. That was about 4 months ago. I also noticed that the other dwarf doesn't have fin rot but I have seen him rub himself on my plants and decor as if he was trying to get something off his body.




Here's a pic of a Sunset Gourami I currently own. I also noticed something weird. It might not be a big deal but you can never be to safe. It looks as if a small piece of his tail and lower fin is turning black. Looks almost like fungus/grim/dirt you see around your bathtub, usually on the silicone and grout.



I was going to ask how to treat my ABNP but I just checked on him and sadly he didn't make it through the night. :icon_sad:
Either way I still want to know what this disease(s) are and how to treat it in the future. I guess I should focus on my Sunset Gourami and the Dwarf Gourami that has/had fin rot. Since the 4 months ago when it 1st showed up it doesn't seem to be getting worse but like I said, his dorsal fin hasn't grown back. Also, since my new ABNP just passed away from it, it must be because the disease is still present in my aquarium.

Here's some information you might find useful to help me treat this.

Inhabitants:
2X Dwarf Gouramis
1X Sunset Gourami
1X Clown Loach
8X Fancy Guppies
15X Ghost shrimp

Water parameters:
29 gallon planted aquarium
No ferts
No Co2 injection
1½" Leveling sand
1" Eco-Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate
1X 40 watt 5000k compact fluorescent
1X 20 watt 9600k fluorescent tube

PH = 7.5
NH3 = 0
GH = 220
KH = 110
NO2 = 0.1
Temp = 60º F (My heater broke, that's the highest temp it will go to, if anyone has an old working heater and is willing to donate it please PM me preferably in Miami Florida. Must be strong enough for a 29 Gallon tank.)

List of medications I have on hand:
  • API Melafix
  • API Pimafix
  • Mardel Maracyn-Two
  • API Triple Sulfa
All these medications treat pretty much the same thing. Which is the best?

I was just reading the back of the API Triple Sulfa and it says it treats... "Hemorrhagic Septicemia: A bacterial infection of the bloodstream. Fish may show blood streaks on the body and fins, bleeding (red patches) and localized swelling."
Looks like that might be the weird sores on my fish. I have noticed the blood streaks before and I think my clown loach might have this as well. I saw some blood streaks around his tail the other day.
In this case I should treat the whole tank right?

I don't have a quarantine tank but I do have about 4+ extra 10 gallon glass tanks laying around the house that I used to keep my lizards in. Some still have sand in them so I would like to know how to disinfect these tanks. Do I wash them with a sponge and dish soap and throughly rinse them till there's no more soap residue and them leave them filled with water and/or bleach for a couple days?

Since I will most likely dose my main tank with medication to treat all my fish, which should I use?
Should I add aquarium salt?
I know I should raise the temp but that is not a choice atm until I get a working heater.
Will any of these medicines harm my shrimp or plants?
I have alot BBA (red algae), BGA (blue/green algae), BA (brown algae), and HA (hair algae).
Will any of these medicines make things worse? For example, make is spread faster or change my water chemistry?

Any useful information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 

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I am BY NO MEANS an expert, but I add 1tbsp of salt per 5g (2tbsps per 10g) for my bettas and my 2 new guppies...on another forum I am on, that is what the resident professional suggested (27 yrs aquarium maintenance). I also have medifix and pimafix...I only use the pimafix...doing research...medifix is gram positive, and most fish issues tend to be gram negitive (pimafix)...not having the bottles in front of me...both bottles say they cure the same problems...fin rot being one of them, so I would go with the pimafix...there is also another med (antibotics) called kanaplex (aka kanamycin or kayacyn) that I use (stronger than pimafix). I have only found it online at a On Line Aquarium Store. If you are interested, PM me and I will give you the link.
 

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Where is your nitrates? Nitrites at detectable level can already harm your fish. Do a 10% daily water change to eliminate nitrites. Your fish look stressed by the looks of your pics. Nitrites at detectable level just adds to your woes.

If your area has Sera Baktopur Direct and Sera Baktopur, you may try to do the treatment. Combine them and treat according to instructions. This is at the expense of harming your beneficial bacteria however so it's best to carry out treatment in a hospital tank. Those 'weird sores' you're saying appears to be septicemia.

Fin or tail rot is different from tattered fins caused by nipping. The fins will appear degenerated with white edges leaving ray membranes sticking out. This is a case of bacterial infection which Sera Baktopur and Sera Baktopur Direct when combined can easily eliminate it. A combo may not be necessary but it appears the meds are stronger when combined. This alone has proved to have eliminated columnaris in my case.

Fungus often appear as white cottony patches or gray threads trailing. They do not appear until the wounds become infected. If your fish has wounds, treat it immediately either with salt or Melafix. Fungus is a secondary infection to wounds. Failure to treat wounds will cause it. Fungus rarely happens anyway. Not unless the owner does not carry out proper tank maintenance and leaving the fish's wounds unattended.

Medications have no adverse effects to water chemistry except interference with the beneficial bacteria which will caused ammonia and nitrites to spike because no bacteria existed to convert them into the final product, nitrate.

I am driven to a conclusion that all those diseases are bacterial infections which Sera Baktopur and Sera Baktopur Direct will cover.
 

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You might have to get another test kit which has nitrates. I doubt your nitrates is any higher than 10 considering you have BGA. Low nitrates often trigger BGA.
All these medications treat pretty much the same thing. Which is the best?
I don't understand this. Melafix will not work on serious bacterial infections. I have not used Maracyn-Two but I had read in this link that it can treat bacterial infections. Choose either Maracyn or TriSulfa but the latter might work only with finrot cases. The former is more promising.
 

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Well I just added 5 tablespoons of Aquarium salt and 5 tablets of Maracyn-Two. I added enough for 25 gallons of water even though I have a 29G tank. I did this because I believe that my substrate and tank decorations are using up at least 5g to 10g of space, so I didn't want to overdose just in case. Is this ok or should I dose the full 29G by adding 1 more tablet and 1 more tablespoon of salt?
 

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It should be ok. Did you at least dissolve the salt? In case you still have the plec, dissolving salt is advisable as salt can burn their skin.
 

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It should be ok. Did you at least dissolve the salt? In case you still have the plec, dissolving salt is advisable as salt can burn their skin.
No, I didn't! :eek:
I didn't know it did that. I still have one ABNP left. I had bought two. I called the LFS where I got him 14 days ago and they don't offer a guaranty so I couldn't get a new one nor my money back.
 

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Leo, if you still have a spare tank, get an established sponge filter and make the tank a hospital tank. You will have to move the plec as the salt will only burn its skin. Treat the plec separately with either Maracyn-Two or TriSulfa.
 

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Mmmm I may be the lone dissenter but gut instinct tells me you'd be better off sterilizing the tank and starting over. And uh...if all these fish came from the same pet store, find another source.

This is something usually seen in coldwater species.

Bacterial ulcers and infections
 

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Leo, if you still have a spare tank, get an established sponge filter and make the tank a hospital tank. You will have to move the plec as the salt will only burn its skin. Treat the plec separately with either Maracyn-Two or TriSulfa.
The aquarium salt will only burn my pleco if the salt is whole and makes contact with his skin, right? Or will it still burn his skin even if the salt is dissolved?
 
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