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Its quite lovely some of the pictures that are posted on this forum. I would love to be able to take pictures like that but mines all suck.

This is the camera I am using if that helps.

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archived_product_details.asp?id=1365&fl=4

But how do you guys take such nice pictures? Particularly shrimp. I have wonderful shrimp but I can't ever seem to get a decent pic of them
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Its quite lovely some of the pictures that are posted on this forum. I would love to be able to take pictures like that but mines all suck.

This is the camera I am using if that helps.

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archived_product_details.asp?id=1365&fl=4

But how do you guys take such nice pictures? Particularly shrimp. I have wonderful shrimp but I can't ever seem to get a decent pic of them
I do 2 things, I never use an on-camera flash and I always turn off the room lights. Both of these elements add distracting reflections. You may find you need a tripod, adjust your ISO as high as your willing to go before the colour noise becomes too distracting and experiment :)
honestly...A LOT of the nicer pictures here are done with DSLR cameras
well never be able to match the quality taken with our point-and-shoots

however...I would say...get a tripod, pen and paper
then go through your camera settings one by one changing them by 1...one at a time
it will be time consuming...but if youre serious about it...its honestly the only way and youll learn how your camera works in the process
dr. tran have you tried setting your camera to night scene mode? If not make sure it's either on a tripod or you're holding it still while keeping the hand holding it on a solid surface so the camera does not move. The aquarium should be the only light source in the room too... Fast moving fish/shrimp will come out blurry in the pics.
To take good pics of a tank you need to have a basic knowledge of aperture and shutter speed and ISO. You don't necessarily need a DSLR, but you probably will need a point and shoot that allows for manual manipulation of aperture, shutter speed, and ISO.

Everyone is right though, best time is at night, with no lights on except the tank lights to minimize reflection. Also, take the pictures at an angle to further reduce reflection.

If your camera has a macro setting make sure you use that. Macro is for taking very close up pictures. Additionally you might have to use manual focus.

Good luck!
I'd love to see someone do a write up of the best settings, tips, practices, etc and sticky it in this forum. Someone gave me a link one time to one of these threads on another site and I have since lost it, but there are a lot of times that I see some amazing photos on here and would love to get some tips from folks on how they got them.

I use a Nikon D80 for my full tank shots and a Canon Elph (don't remember the model, but its 3 or 4 years old) for my macro shots. I'm hoping Santa is going to bring me a Nikon D7000 and a 105mm macro lens!!

J
Hi dr. tran,

+1 for non_compliance comments. I looked at the manual for your camera and there does not appear to be a "manual mode" where you can adjust the shutter speed, aperture (f-stop), optical zoom, macro mode, or manual focus. A DLSR is not required to capture a great image, but the ability to adjust the camera settings makes it much easier. A lot of the "point and shoot" cameras (Canon SX130is for example) have the ability to adjust all the setting I just mentioned.
That camera you have is waterproof. Might not look as nice as some of the amazing pictures some people on here take, but some in the tank, underwater photos might be pretty cool!
I will try and do a side by side tonight with my dSLR on my usual settings (normally iso 3200 @ f9 on aperture priority hand held with an image stabilized lens - I only use a tripod when I have the macro lens on) and my wife's point and shoot on auto only.

With a tripod for the point and shoot I should attain similar results. Depending on if you have a really high ISO and you can manually set it, you may not be able to capture livestock this way, but for tank shots I think I can probably attain similar results.

It comes down to exposure time in the simplest terms. All cameras capture an image in the same fashion - light and time, you just have to find a method that works best with the equipment you have.

When I'm done I will post the images and the exif data for each shot.
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Here are the two shots. The top shot is from my dSLR, the bottom is from my wife's point and shoot set to "Simple Mode" and has the flash turned off. I did not use a tripod for either shot, instead I just leaned on some available furniture. I tried my best to get the same level of zoom for both and no editing has been done to these shots, both were imported into Lightroom (I shoot in RAW on the dSLR) and both were exported with no editing.

The most noticble differences
-dSLR took a better overall exposure (normally I do a lower my exposure by a full stop due to how bright the lights are but for this purpose there was no exposure compensation).
-Point and Shoot is over saturated, but this comes part and parcel with most point and shoots.

The water looks cleaner in the point and shoot shot, but I was in the tank messing around a bit between takes so please disregard that aspect.

Environmentally all I did for these shots was to turn the lights off in the room and close the curtains (taken after dark). No flash used in either shot.

Based on these results, I would recommend the following:
-turning off the lights in your room
-closing the doors/curtains
-turning off your flash
Taking these basic steps should get you what your looking for no matter the camera. The only variable I could not test was flat fronted tanks as mine is curved, there is a possibility that if you see too much of your own reflection in the shots that you may have to take the picture at a slight angle, but only experimentation on your end will determine that.

dSLR: f9, 1/50, ISO 3200, White Balance Auto, shot in "aperture priority"


Point and Shoot: f4.7, 1/8, ISO 200, White Balance Auto, shot in "Simple Mode"
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dr tran, have you looked at the various Olympus/Panasonic m4/3 cameras? And perhaps evaluated their potential for aquarium photography?
IMO the DSLR looks about 5x better...

the pns is yellow..some of the color and light/dark contrast on the blyxa is washed out...and the level of detail on the hc leaves is lacking and with the air/co2 stone...the DSLR shows individual bubbles, the pns shows a blurred stream

i dont kno enough about cameras to kno if the settings are similar or comparable...but like i said...the DSLR is so much better than the pns
The white balance on the P&S is different and it's over exposed, slightly.

Of course the DSLR has a huge advantage in high ISO performance, which is why it is set at 1/50 sec instead of 1/8.
your explanation





my head
...its way over it :hihi:

I have a Sony DSC-W90...what are the "best" settings I should use?
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...&productId=8198552921665061539#specifications
your explanation





my head
...its way over it :hihi:
Says the guy who schooled me on the liquid engineering principles of a RG reactor. No no my friend, I won't let you play the dumb card here.

On another note, saw you bought some RCS... glad to see you getting back into the shrimp hobby. I have a TON of babies right now, so if you want more in a few months, lemme know.

Back on topic... seriously, can the photo experts maybe do a write up on anything from best lenses to settings, to tips, etc and we sticky it?

J
I'm no expert or 'pro' by all means but I can show you folks "my" step by step process when I find some time.
Please do.

I'm also thinking that maybe with some time this weekend I will also submit a side-by-side comparison of my D80 (DSLR) to my Canon Elph (P&S).

J
The white balance on the P&S is different and it's over exposed, slightly.

Of course the DSLR has a huge advantage in high ISO performance, which is why it is set at 1/50 sec instead of 1/8.


WHat he means is that the color is off for the PnS camera. The white balance is whacked so the colors are not true. IE: green hue on everything. When you manually set the white balance, pictures come out better. If you have a white/gray card then you can set your camera for different light. Something that is white in one light may not be white in another... so if you have a true white card, you can calibrate your camera to that. Mine takes a picture of the white, and adjusts accordingly. You can use anything you know is truely white.

Addiitonally, due to the selected camera settings (selected by the camera) the image was over exposed, meaning that too much light was let into the sensor so you have blown out highlights on the blyxa.

The higher the ISO, the lower the light you can shoot in, but the trade off is grainy/noisy shots. The DSLR is able to shoot good quality with the higher ISO (3200) partly because it is able to open the aperture wider (f9), whereas the PnS camera must maintain a lower ISO of 200 because of the aperture f4.7.... the trade off is in order to get enough light, the PnS had to shoot with a much slower shutter speed.... 1/8 of a second as opposed to 1/50 of a second for the DSLR. That's why the bubbles were blurred. THe aperture is basically the size of the hole when the shutter opens up.

Wait, did I have that right? Well at least I sounded smart. lol


ANyways the basic premise is you have to account for different factors. Low light usually means slower shutter speed. BUt, if you're shooting something moving, it will be blurred by the low shutter speed, so you have to adjust other stuff, such as the aperture (size of the hole) and raise the ISO (lower quality/clarity, but shoots in lower light).

If you know what the basic camera functions do, you can calibrate them accordingly and get some good shots. Taking pics of a planted tank is pretty easy compared to taking pics of livestock.

Play around. Experiment. Have fun. POST PICS!!!!
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The higher the ISO, the lower the light you can shoot in, but the trade off is grainy/noisy shots. The DSLR is able to shoot good quality with the higher ISO (3200) partly because it is able to open the aperture wider (f9), whereas the PnS camera must maintain a lower ISO of 200 because of the aperture f4.7.... the trade off is in order to get enough light, the PnS had to shoot with a much slower shutter speed.... 1/8 of a second as opposed to 1/50 of a second for the DSLR. That's why the bubbles were blurred. THe aperture is basically the size of the hole when the shutter opens up.

Wait, did I have that right? Well at least I sounded smart. lol
With technology going the way it is, the "pro" bodied DSLRs are able to take very good (non noisy) pics easily in high ISO in extreme low light conditions. Even the lesser DSLRs are now being equipped with similar capabilities.

Depending on the depth of field (DOF) you're looking to achieve, you can play with your available ISO range. For example if you want a picture that has a blurred background/foreground, you will want a wide open aperture (smallest number you can dial it down to ie. f/2.8 or lower). This will enable you to shoot in much lower light than a smaller aperature of say f/8 (which is meant for shooting pictures with the least amount of background blur or bokeh) under lower ISO settings.

Using no flash & free hand...Lets say you want to capture fast moving fish. You'd set your ISO to the highest setting possible with the least amount of noise (graininess) and set your aperature to your desired (DOF). Keep in mind this third setting I'm about to explain; The shutter speed now plays a major role in the exposure your picture will get. Those of us who have DSLRs can use the built in meter to dial the exact exposure we want before snapping the pic. P&S cams... no so much. For fast moving objects to be captured frozen in time, you want to chose a fast shutter speed.

If you think about it, those of you who know EI will understand this. In a camera you can adjust 3 variables to obtain desired results: Tv (Shutter speed), Av (aperture), and ISO (light sensitivity of the sensor). For every desired shot, playing with these 3 variables will get you a "well balanced" photo.

Not trying to sound smart, but in fact it's the way I shoot. :thumbsup:

Here's a photo I took recently with my new camera 60D (very low light capable), no flash - Here are the exif values:

# ISO Speed Ratings = 800
# Shutter Speed (Exposure Time) = 1/332 second
# Aperture = ƒ/2.8

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WHat he means is that the color is off for the PnS camera. The white balance is whacked so the colors are not true. IE: green hue on everything. When you manually set the white balance, pictures come out better. If you have a white/gray card then you can set your camera for different light. Something that is white in one light may not be white in another... so if you have a true white card, you can calibrate your camera to that. Mine takes a picture of the white, and adjusts accordingly. You can use anything you know is truely white.

Addiitonally, due to the selected camera settings (selected by the camera) the image was over exposed, meaning that too much light was let into the sensor so you have blown out highlights on the blyxa.

The higher the ISO, the lower the light you can shoot in, but the trade off is grainy/noisy shots. The DSLR is able to shoot good quality with the higher ISO (3200) partly because it is able to open the aperture wider (f9), whereas the PnS camera must maintain a lower ISO of 200 because of the aperture f4.7.... the trade off is in order to get enough light, the PnS had to shoot with a much slower shutter speed.... 1/8 of a second as opposed to 1/50 of a second for the DSLR. That's why the bubbles were blurred. THe aperture is basically the size of the hole when the shutter opens up.

Wait, did I have that right? Well at least I sounded smart. lol


ANyways the basic premise is you have to account for different factors. Low light usually means slower shutter speed. BUt, if you're shooting something moving, it will be blurred by the low shutter speed, so you have to adjust other stuff, such as the aperture (size of the hole) and raise the ISO (lower quality/clarity, but shoots in lower light).

If you know what the basic camera functions do, you can calibrate them accordingly and get some good shots. Taking pics of a planted tank is pretty easy compared to taking pics of livestock.

Play around. Experiment. Have fun. POST PICS!!!!
You have it pretty close. I can actually make the shot sharper by manually upping the ISO on the PnS but I wanted to demonstrate that a shot (satisfactory vs perfect) can be achieved with a PnS on its most basic setting).

Point and Shoot (here in referred to PnS going forward) primer in as few words as I can come up with:


ISO vs fStop
Forcing the ISO higher, means the sensor is more sensitive to the light coming in, allowing you to pick a higher fStop number (smaller opening). The smaller the opening (higher the number ... counter intuitive but I don't want to get into a long winded (too late?) explanation of how the fstop numbers are calculated) the sharper the image. As pointed out, you can see more detail with the dSLR shot, that is because it was f4.7 (almost wide open for that camera) where as the dSLR was f9.

As mentioned above though, the higher the ISO ('film' speed) the more colour noise will be introduced (distracting coloured speckles all over the picture) so you would have to find the balance of what you think is acceptable with your own cameras as every camera model is different.

Shutter speed
This ties in with ISO and fStop. The more light that comes into the camera, the faster your shutter speed will be. As mentioned above, you can see how the co2 bubbles are streaks of motion in the PnS and in the dSLR they are frozen in space. That is the difference between 1/8 of a second vs 1/50 of a second. Without getting a PnS with near full manual settings, this will be hard to adjust as your ISO and fStop will be a large factor in too.
ISO: how much base light is recognized by the sensor
fStop: How little of that light you let through, sacrificing the amount of light to gain a sharper image
Shutter speed: This ultimately creates your exposure, too slow and the image becomes over exposed (bright), too fast and you end up with an under exposed (dark) image.

When it comes to PnS cameras, typically the easier of the settings to adjust is the ISO (sometimes referred to in the menus as "Sensitivity"). The higher the number, the more light is being let it (at the cost of colour noise). This will then have a cascading effect through the rest of the settings. You can also force the faster shutter speeds with a "Sports" setting if your camera has this. The camera will then try to get the highest shutter speed to stop the motion, but be aware that the cost on this would again be colour noise and a low fStop (more open).

White Balance (colour of image)
I did a custom white balance shot with the PnS (not posted as I wanted to demonstrate a PnS on its simplest settings that everyone has access to). The white balance was pretty close to the dSLR but was a little on the cool side, but much better than auto setting. Most cameras come with a way to do this, refer to your manuals.

In the simplest of terms, your camera is trying to decide what is white (before I'm corrected its actually looking for something a little different but I'm keeping it simple) in the image and basing the rest of the colours off of the white element. When there is no white available, the camera then has to try and figure things out on its own. This is really evident in my tank shot as there is nothing really white for it to pick from so its "best guess" left things a little on the yellowy-green side.

Colour Saturation:
In short, there is colour, then there is COLOUR. The intensity of the displayed colours are pushed up a notch or two. This is done mostly for when you are taking pictures of people, it can be less noticeable this way and can make skin tones look a little nicer, but when you are shooting something with lots of greens and reds in the image it can look overkill (as my demo shows). I cannot adjust this any further down on my PnS, this was on the "normal" setting, all other settings actually pushed it up higher. As with all cameras your mileage may vary.

I hope some of this helps when it comes to Point and Shoot cameras, it can be a little daunting at 1st but as you play with your settings more it will eventually fall into place. As I mention above, the best thing you can do is crack that manual thats still sitting in the box :eek5: At the very least it will tell you where to find some of the settings I mention above.
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