The Planted Tank Forum banner
1 - 20 of 24 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
25 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 · (Edited)
I’ve just got back home from being away on business for 2 month's, i've had my girlfriend looking after my planted tank and obviously something has gone very very wrong.

She called me about a week ago to tell me that a white pimple has appeared on my angelfish, the pimple protrudes from the fish by about 2mm and there is no redness or soreness around the pimple, its defiantly not ich as i keep my tank at 86F and all my fish have been acclimatising to this temperature over a 8 month period and thus far have been fine.

I'm about to remove my angelfish from my planted tank into a quarantine tank i’ve just set up but i’ve no idea what to treat it with because i don’t know what the problem is in the first place.

No other fish in the tank have shown any kind of illness / spots / growths on there body.

This is a picture of said angelfish http://img196.imageshack.us/i/spotgk.jpg/

Edit: The growth / spot is about 2mm round and sticks out about 2mm, the end of it does look sort of "fuzzy"

I've really no idea if this is a fungal or bacterial infection and would really like someone to point me in the right direction so i can hopefully medicate this fish.

Tank: 55 Gal, heavily planted, 3x 54W T5 lighting, dosed with flourish excel + diy CO2, dry mixed ferts, eheim 2026 filter.

Stocked with:

2x Marble Angels
2x Kribensus
6x Bronze Cory’s
2x Pepper Cory’s
1x Dragon Gobie
2x Golden Long Fin Rams
9x Harlequins
1x Pandagarra
1x Glass Catfish
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
25 Posts
Discussion Starter · #2 ·
Well i seperated him into my 10 Gal quarantene tank and added 4 teaspoons of marine salt to the water, as soon as a put him in the white lump on the side of him had fallen off and left behind a red sore.

Ive added some maracyn to the tank also and will just monitor him for a few days to see if the sore heals up.

Anyone have any idea as to what the problem could be?
 

·
Fresh Fish Freak
Joined
·
24,403 Posts
Well i seperated him into my 10 Gal quarantene tank and added 4 teaspoons of marine salt to the water, as soon as a put him in the white lump on the side of him had fallen off and left behind a red sore.

Ive added some maracyn to the tank also and will just monitor him for a few days to see if the sore heals up.

Anyone have any idea as to what the problem could be?
The fact that the lump "fell off" in salt water makes it sound to me like it may have been a parasite of some sort.

I think you're doing exactly what you should, and I'd just keep an eye on him and make sure the water quality stays good for a few weeks.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,008 Posts
I would keep the water clean, can't see much from the photo you provided, hard to tell.
Is the Angel behaving normally(eating, moving, no other problems?) I wouldn't go crazy with all the meds.
If other fish is ok, then chances are it is not bacterial.
Pimafix and melafix would help the wound, if meds involved i like the jungle meds(external and internal)
Hope all will be OK.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
569 Posts
That type of salt contains a lot more than just sodium chloride and will likely raise the ph well above 8.0 Most reef salts are designed to buffer the water to a ph of 8.4 which is far above the comfort zone of most angelfish.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
25 Posts
Discussion Starter · #9 ·
Well i cant work out whats up with this still, my water quality is in my opinion perfectly crystal clear with a PH of about 7.2 which is CO2 controlled, i have a inline UV filter and do water changes of 30% monthly, amonia is 0ppm.

No other fish are showing signs of stess and are just perfectly happy, yet why my angelfish got this "pimple" in the first place is rather worrying. I think ill keep him in quarantene until he is 100% and there is no redness aroud where the lump was.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,008 Posts
It could be anything, a cut, aggression, or a parasite, just in case would give jungle parasite food to eat for a couple days and see.
keep up with large water changes.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
567 Posts
I had the same thing happen to an angelfish of mine a few months ago. No other fish were sick, and she acted completely normal, but she had a little white 'pimple' on her side behind one of her pectoral fins. I didn't have a quarantine tank to put her in, so I left her in the main tank, turned the temperature up from 78 to 85, and salted the water pretty well. Just like yours, it fell off, left a nasty looking red wound, and healed up within a week. It never happened again, and I haven't seen it before. I have no idea what it was. Maybe a bite from another fish that got infected and made an abscess?
 

·
Fresh Fish Freak
Joined
·
24,403 Posts
We cook with sea salt. Most of the sea salt you buy at the grocery store is NaCl, and generally only the more expensive mined salts have the fancy mineral contents (and come in different colors and flavors). You usually have to get those at gourmet stores.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
569 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_salt

Sea salt is primarily composed of the following ions[5], listed in order of descending abundance by weight:

Chloride (Cl-) 55.03%
Sodium (Na+) 30.59%
Sulfate (SO42-) 7.68%
Magnesium (Mg2+) 3.68%
Calcium (Ca2+) 1.18%
Potassium (K+) 1.11%
Bicarbonate (HCO3-) 0.41%
Bromide (Br-) 0.19%
Borate (BO33-) 0.08%
Strontium (Sr2+) 0.04%
Everything else 0.01%

Although the salinity of sea water varies quite a bit worldwide, the relative abundances of the constituent ions remain the same.
 

·
Fresh Fish Freak
Joined
·
24,403 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_salt

Sea salt is primarily composed of the following ions[5], listed in order of descending abundance by weight:

Chloride (Cl-) 55.03%
Sodium (Na+) 30.59%
Sulfate (SO42-) 7.68%
Magnesium (Mg2+) 3.68%
Calcium (Ca2+) 1.18%
Potassium (K+) 1.11%
Bicarbonate (HCO3-) 0.41%
Bromide (Br-) 0.19%
Borate (BO33-) 0.08%
Strontium (Sr2+) 0.04%
Everything else 0.01%

Although the salinity of sea water varies quite a bit worldwide, the relative abundances of the constituent ions remain the same.
Right, the majority is NaCl. None of the rest of that is gonna cause a problem for fish. It's the "gourmet" salts that have the various higher mineral contents that turn the salts different colors and flavors. Some of those may be iffy... :smile:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
569 Posts
And if it isn't refined the minerals can raise the ph well above 8.0 which can effect fish, especially softwater species such as angelfish.

The ph of sea water is usually around 8.4 and only the water is eliminated through the evaporation process. Thus, pure sea salt will buffer water back to that same ph level.

Mined salt is actually closer to pure NaCl than sea water and will not alter the ph nearly as much. I use water softener salt which is mined and considered 99% pure.
 

·
Fresh Fish Freak
Joined
·
24,403 Posts
Mined salt is actually closer to pure NaCl than sea water and will not alter the ph nearly as much.
Shouldn't that be the other way around? Since ocean water is pretty uniform in composition, but in the ground other things can leech in?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
569 Posts
Variations in minerals will affect the color and clarity of the salt crystals. Only the cleanest veins are used for table salt and softener salt. I think there would be less contaminants in mined salt than what the Mississippi and other rivers are dumping into the oceans.
 
1 - 20 of 24 Posts
Top