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I got this one a week ago and I was sure it was a male. It was the dominant one in the tank, now I'm not too sure

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This one I just got today. The guy at the store also stated it was a male. Again I'm not too sure
 

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from what i hear, belly color is not 100% either.
i was told to look for color on the black side spot. if there is blue over it, it is female (i think, doublecheck on that). it worked for me, i got a spawn, but they ate the eggs and later i got rid of em.
 

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They both look like females, belly is a great tell sign if they are in optimal water and in spawning conditions. Mine always are. Females bellys get a pright pink.

But they both look stressed witht he lack of color showing. What are your water conditions
 

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Neither one of them fits the descriptions I've seen 100% for being a male or female. The most recent one is super bright and has a noticably pink belly that developed when I put it in the tank when I got home. Both have some blue sheen on the black spot. The one with the pink belly has a ton of blue sheen. I guess two females is better than 2 males?? Are they monogamous or will a male be good with 2 females? It's a 46g Bowfront. I'm a little hesitant to get a third hoping for a male
 

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They both look like females, belly is a great tell sign if they are in optimal water and in spawning conditions. Mine always are. Females bellys get a pright pink.

But they both look stressed witht he lack of color showing. What are your water conditions
PH is 7.4
Ammonia is 0
Nitrite is 0
Nitrate is 30ppm
 

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ph is above optimal. these fish like soft, acidic water. wont kill em, but if you can lower the ph, theyd probably show better color and more activity.
I don't know how I left this out as I'm sure it plays a HUGE part, but since I had a heater fail years ago and cook a whole tank I have gone heaterless. Being as I keep my house at 72* I'm sure this is a big part. I'm going tomorrow to get a heater for this tank. The titaniums seem to have the best reliability I've seen
 

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from what i hear, belly color is not 100% either.
i was told to look for color on the black side spot. if there is blue over it, it is female (i think, doublecheck on that). it worked for me, i got a spawn, but they ate the eggs and later i got rid of em.
the color on the black spot is genetic and not sexual. the belly is the only 100% sure way to sex them. i seen said on this board over and over again, and ime that has been the only certain way to sex them short of being a GBR or EBR.

I don't know how I left this out as I'm sure it plays a HUGE part, but since I had a heater fail years ago and cook a whole tank I have gone heaterless. Being as I keep my house at 72* I'm sure this is a big part. I'm going tomorrow to get a heater for this tank. The titaniums seem to have the best reliability I've seen

that sounds like it could be another issue. i kept in a ph where you have them, and they did fine.

if i were you i would add the thermometer bring the tank tank temp up, and see how they do. if they are still stressed out, on your next water include some r/o water, to bring down the ph.
 
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