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I wondered if there was somewhere that has a chart or something like it that lists all the shrimp and what you can cross with to get new color/ pattern combinations. is there a website that has genetic information about breeding shrimps? Kinda curious as to the possibilities when it comes to trying to make/or get a new color or pattern variation.
 

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The color variations don't really come from crossing but mutations that are selectively bred. EG, yellows and greens come from red cherries, which in a turn are a mutation of the wild Neocar. shrimp. They are normally clear almost with a hint of brown through the body. Through breeding wild ones over and over they would notice a red tinted one out of those, and after getting some of those, they only bred those till they got redder and redder ones. Once they started breeding red's for a while, a yellow or green one would pop up in the population, and they in turn were removed and only bred with others with the mutation.

Crystal shrimp all come from breeding of the Bee shrimp, which are mostly black and bits of white and clear. They were bred to get whiter and black ones and then a red and white one popped up in the population and that was kept out and bred with more and more blacks until another red one came out. Its said that pretty much all red crystal shrimp come from that 1 red mutation, probably out of millions and millions of shrimp. Same with the different patterns and grades of the shrimp, 1 came out more white and less red and was bred with more and more to get another one, then those were bred to mostly only produce that pattern if you want.

Tiger shrimp, same thing.

If you want to cross and red and yellow, you won't get a orange, you'll get a wild color which is clear and tinted brown. Most of these colors are recessive gene mutations and crossed with a wild cousin related to them, the wild dominant genes will kick back in and kill the coloring. The best way to get something is selective breeding but this is done on the scale of breeding million of shrimp for many generations to get 1 that looks different and then trying to keep that gene going.
 

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Most shrimp have not really been studied enough scientifically to hazard a guess. The majority of the species are not even clearly defined, let alone studied. A large portion of our "scientific" names should really be used loosely or with cf. as punctuation (basically means falls under all the assumed characteristics of the type described).
 

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ok say I am iteresred in red wines. These are a variation of crs correct? Do the genetics of any crs carry the possibility of throwing that color? what if you have an F1 offspring that doesnt show the red wine color, are the genetics there to produce it? what happens if you cross that F1 with unrelated stock.......are you back at square one?
 

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heres another......... where did black pandas come from? what variations are possible with bee shrimp? what about blue bees.....??? are the genetics there in each bee for the possibility of variations?
 

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The genetics for black king kong, black panda, wine red and blue bolt are all the same (they're called taiwan bees), and it was a mutation from a tank containing CRS, CBS and goldens. They are not made by a recipe.

And the taiwan bee gene is recessive, and follows the rules of genetics. IE. Both parents must have the recessive gene in order to produce offspring with those traits. So if you breed a wine red with a regular CRS, you'll get 100% CRS offspring, but if you breed those babies (F1) with eachother or back to the wine red mother, you'll get a percentage of taiwan bees.

I hope that answers your question.
 

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It does.... But leads to a new question.... Lol!! Is it possible to buy F1 with the genetics to produce bkk or panda ect.?
 

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Yes, they're called Taiwan bee hybrids, they look like s or a grade crs typically

And remember, even though you buy hybrids, breed a few pandas and then breed those pandas, you will still get a large percentage of hybrids instead of Taiwan bees because the Taiwan gene is weaker than crs gene, they are not equals. Best would be to purchase a panda or wine red or whatever and also purchase a group of hybrids, that way when it comes to breeding time, the babies of your Taiwan x hybrid will be higher chance of Taiwan bee genes.
 

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Okay all you shrimp breeders..... Whose got some of these Taiwan bees for sale?? Or where would I find them for sale?? I am not looking for alot... Just a few to start....
 
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