Ehime Classic 2213 v. 2211 for 36 Gal tank.

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Gilly13

Discussion Starter · Feb 20, 2017

So for a 36 gal would the 2213 which is for tanks up to 65 or the 2211 which is for tanks up to 40. I know the rule of thumb is to usually have filtration that is double that of the size of the tank. I'm assuming that I should just go with the 65 even the price tag more then I would want, I'm hoping to get some deals because of presidents day. The tank will be heavily planted, and I am still working out what type of fish I would want. I've bouncing around between angles, barbs, or gourami, (looking for fish that are interactive and personable). Or tying to see if I can work out some sort of community with some of them.
Also what is a good brand of heater?

Finially does anyone know if I can use the mesh bags that oranges and lemons come in to put the media in so that the canister filter will be easier to clean? I have to find a video about how I would go about actually cleaning it.
Thanks for any help or suggestions.

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Aqua99

· #2 · Feb 20, 2017

The 2211 I have in my 20L is kind of weak, the 2213 in my 29 fits it pretty well. I have a 4+ series for my 40B but haven't got it up and running yet.

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Gilly13

Discussion Starter · #3 · Feb 20, 2017

Aqua99 said:
The 2211 I have in my 20L is kind of weak, the 2213 in my 29 fits it pretty well. I have a 4+ series for my 40B but haven't got it up and running yet.

Thanks for the input. That's what I had been thinking that the 2211 would be too weak.
Thanks

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PlantedRich

· #4 · Feb 20, 2017

If in the budget, go larger. I find very few go to smaller tanks and when moving to larger, already having a larger filter fits better. There is no harm done to turn the flow down on canister filters, if it should be a gross problem. It is suggested in some of the Eheim manuals.
For the media bags, I don't know that I would trust the oranges, etc. bags as they are often colored/treated with things that might throw in wild cards that I want to avoid. Possible mildew/ fungus treatment? I don't know, so I avoid it.
I've forgotten which Classic has media trays/baskets and which do not but in my 2217, I found a way to build trays to hold the loose media. I had a supply of small drywall mud buckets that slip fit in the 2217!
I would suggest looking further for loose weave fabric to suit.

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Gilly13

Discussion Starter · #5 · Feb 20, 2017

PlantedRich said:
If in the budget, go larger. I find very few go to smaller tanks and when moving to larger, already having a larger filter fits better. There is no harm done to turn the flow down on canister filters, if it should be a gross problem. It is suggested in some of the Eheim manuals.
For the media bags, I don't know that I would trust the oranges, etc. bags as they are often colored/treated with things that might throw in wild cards that I want to avoid. Possible mildew/ fungus treatment? I don't know, so I avoid it.
I've forgotten which Classic has media trays/baskets and which do not but in my 2217, I found a way to build trays to hold the loose media. I had a supply of small drywall mud buckets that slip fit in the 2217!
I would suggest looking further for loose weave fabric to suit.

Yah thanks, it confirms what I have already been thinking.
The classic series does not have trays and the media is all loose making me think it would be hard to clean. I'll have to stick with the 2213, I can't afford to go larger right now, and I have a 20 gal in my basement that I don't have room to set up right now, but would do that first before I went to a larger tank.
Thanks for the help

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Aqua99

· #6 · Feb 20, 2017

I think the 2211 suffers from the smaller output tubing that it has. The intake side is the same as the 2213 series, but the output is considerably smaller.

I think you can get by with the 2213 if that's in the budget. Worse case scenario is you add something small and cheap to increase flow if needed. I added a little Hydor 100 circulation pump to my 20L for $12 off amazon and it solves all my problems (and is a great little pump).

As far as I'm concerned, my classics are pretty easy to clean. I like PlantedRich's idea with the buckets but will also look into the mesh bag idea you mentioned... just to simplify things.

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PlantedRich

· #7 · Feb 20, 2017

I'm somewhat of a nut when it comes to DIY to avoid spending money if I'm not totally sure of where it's going. So keep that in mind but I like the DIY tray over bags. I tried bags of various sorts and never really liked them. I was never able to find one that was loose enough weave to suit me on feeling they restricted flow. My 2217 has an open area at the bottom where the "barrels" are laid loose. These don't bother me to chase down as I simply dump them into a strainer to clean and then dump the strainer back into the bottom of the can. But the next group of loose media is the bio-balls and those are not easy if I have to pick each piece out and back. I tried bags but the weave was too tight and collected grung on it sooner than I wanted to clean or was too loose and let the balls slip out so that I had to chase them or they went down the drain! Some bags that seemed pretty close were also not good material to last and made a whole different gripe when they split during handling! there is something somewhere but I did not find it before coming across the idea of DIY trays.

To keep from cluttering your post, I will add a new post in the DIY section on my tray. Maybe it fits for some, if you want to watch for it?

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Gilly13

Discussion Starter · #8 · Feb 20, 2017

PlantedRich said:
I'm somewhat of a nut when it comes to DIY to avoid spending money if I'm not totally sure of where it's going. So keep that in mind but I like the DIY tray over bags. I tried bags of various sorts and never really liked them. I was never able to find one that was loose enough weave to suit me on feeling they restricted flow. My 2217 has an open area at the bottom where the "barrels" are laid loose. These don't bother me to chase down as I simply dump them into a strainer to clean and then dump the strainer back into the bottom of the can. But the next group of loose media is the bio-balls and those are not easy if I have to pick each piece out and back. I tried bags but the weave was too tight and collected grung on it sooner than I wanted to clean or was too loose and let the balls slip out so that I had to chase them or they went down the drain! Some bags that seemed pretty close were also not good material to last and made a whole different gripe when they split during handling! there is something somewhere but I did not find it before coming across the idea of DIY trays.

To keep from cluttering your post, I will add a new post in the DIY section on my tray. Maybe it fits for some, if you want to watch for it?

Sounds good. The clean up and I guess how drastically different they are from hanging filters is why I've it put it off for so long to upgrade. If you had a DIY tray that I could make to solve my issues it would be great. I work with clay and pottery, would I be able to make something form that and have it work after it was kiln fired?

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Marc Gallagher

· #9 · Feb 20, 2017

I have 2211 on a 20 long and I would not go any bigger with the tank size. I too run a small hydor nano pump to boost the flow. As for baskets, I crafted some out of plastic canvas mesh and zip ties for my 2215's. Probably cost me about 5 dollars in materials. The media bags tend to focus too much weight on the center of the blue course pad causing it to become deformed.

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shhh

· #10 · Feb 20, 2017

I have a 2213 on my 20 long plus a small powerhead and a Aquaclear 20. I would get the 2213 not the 2211.

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ustabefast

· #11 · Feb 20, 2017

I don't think either of those filters is powerful enough for a 37 gallon tank.
I run a 2013 on my 20 gallon and it provides only minimal flow.
I would not run it alone on anything larger than a 20g.

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PlantedRich

· #12 · Feb 20, 2017 (Edited)

While the clay might be workable for skilled hands, I always try to keep as much space working as possible. to get strong, might take more space than I would want to give. The craft mesh is a pretty easy deal that I would also try if needed. I've made several boxes and trays of it for keeping fry separate when faced with too many for tanks available.
Cheap to buy, easy to cut and form, then sew together with monofilament fishing line.
Time, space, labor might make me go that way?

It comes in several different mesh sizes at Hobby Lobby, Michael's, etc. for craft projects.

This is a post about my current choice for heaters. Seems to be a different design using ceramic which should make it work better and last longer. Nice solid stainless metal tube, nice controls and readout that I like.
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/9-equipment/1092706-tank-heater-thats-different.html#post9941570
you might give it a try if you find them online. I found what seemed like a really good price in the $15-16 dollar range at the time. I've not looked lately and supply and price are in constant change.

http://www.tasieproducts.com/

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Gilly13

Discussion Starter · #13 · Feb 21, 2017

PlantedRich said:
While the clay might be workable for skilled hands, I always try to keep as much space working as possible. to get strong, might take more space than I would want to give. The craft mesh is a pretty easy deal that I would also try if needed. I've made several boxes and trays of it for keeping fry separate when faced with too many for tanks available.
Cheap to buy, easy to cut and form, then sew together with monofilament fishing line.
Time, space, labor might make me go that way?

It comes in several different mesh sizes at Hobby Lobby, Michael's, etc. for craft projects.

This is a post about my current choice for heaters. Seems to be a different design using ceramic which should make it work better and last longer. Nice solid stainless metal tube, nice controls and readout that I like.
http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/9-equipment/1092706-tank-heater-thats-different.html#post9941570
you might give it a try if you find them online. I found what seemed like a really good price in the $15-16 dollar range at the time. I've not looked lately and supply and price are in constant change.

TasieProducts.com | Always functionally Different!

Awesome thanks for the post and the pics, its very helpful. I could try with clay, i'm skilled enough but I don't think it would, in the end supports its own weight, plus their is usually shrinkage in the kiln which would not work. I'll take a look at you post and get the materials to make some trays.
Thanks also for the heater info, i'm been looking around on the web but haven't yet found one that had caught my eye as being well made and reliable.
Thanks for all your help.

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PlantedRich

· #14 · Feb 21, 2017

I'm pretty cheap and pretty simple so that is often what I buy! Hope it helps somewhere.

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