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I want to add canister for my 29g with 2x Fluval C3 hobs.
I have 2 choices: Eheim 2215 or Fluval 206.

I read that in those days Eheim product quality isn't as good as before and the plastic become very cheap, also many claims about horrible warranty and support.

Is that true?

How about Fluval? It's really much easier to clean it? It hold more or less media?
Which one is more leak proof?

Thanks

Another choice is: Filstar XP-S

Eheim seems to be hard to priming...

Fluval have a superugly output tube...

Can I cut input tube for Fluval 206?
 

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I have used both Eheim and Filstar XP.The clamp-down on the Eheim cannister are much stronger than Filstar XP.For Eheim i never had to use their customer service so i don't know. Good luck i don't think you can't go wrong with either one of them.
 

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Priming the eheim for me is easy: close the bottom valve, fill it in the sink till it overflows, open top valve and seat the motor head. Drip water into the top line until it's full, then seal that valve. I have a 2215 and have never had a leak.
 

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I love Fluval's canisters. I used to have a 106 which was awesome and really quiet and kept my water crystal clear. I eventually upgraded to a Fluval G3 which I love even more, it is hands down the easiest canister to clean because you can just open it right up and clean the mechanical filter and swap out a bag of purigen without disconnecting any tubes or needing a second person. I also love Fluval's quick disconnect mechanisms (they call them Aquastop) which make it easy to disconnect hoses without dripping, and every Fluval canister I've ever had is super easy to prime with one or to presses or pulls on a level depending on the model. I've also never had any of the parts fail on me, even the stuff that I expected to be fiddly like the quick disconnect valves have given me years of reliable service.

I'm sure Eheims are super reliable but I think there is a bit of a downside to keeping the same basic design for so long because they miss out on some of the nice features that other manufacturers like Fluval have added over time.

To answer your other questions, I don't think any decent canister is going to have a leaking issue, I've never had one leak before and I'd be really surprised if it did. You can cut down the intake length on the Fluval if you need it to be shorter and they can take any normal 5/8" I.D. hose that you choose to use if you want to replace it. I replaced the hose on my 106 because, yes, they're very ugly and clear tubing looks great if you're using lily pipes like I do. When I got the G3 I decided to keep its hosing because even though the grey hosing is still a little ugly, the hose it came with is way easier to work with than any flexible hose I've used before.
 

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I've got 3 2213's and a 2013 ( the 2213's predecessor) . Having read , on 'user reviews' on vendor sites before of the Eheim's being ' cheapened' , figured I'd check this statement out . So I went down into the basement and disconnected the 2013 ( Made in West Germany on the top cover) and the newest 2213 , bought from Big Al's in the last year , made who knows where ; and measured the thickness of the canister plastic in several places on both . It's the same . Wattage is the same , o-rings and canisters are the same . The only difference I can see is the 2013 is rated 390 l./hr. and the 2213 ,440 . Essentially they're the same .

Priming is much ado about nothing .... you should only have to prime a Classic once . Start with an empty canister , open the intake double taps , open the output double taps and separate them . Give a quick suck on the output hose coming from the canister to get a siphon started , you should see water coming down the intake tube and into the canister . Reconnect the output double tap . Wait until bubbles stop coming out of the spray bar and then start the filter . Done .
Next time , turn off all the taps , turn off the filter , split the double taps remove filter body , do whatever cleaning you want , reconnect everything,
let the canister refill ( the intake tap will maintain the siphon when shut off )
and start it up .

Never had an Eheim leak. Got one running continuously at least 10 years
couple more at least 5 . They just work .

Parts are all over that auction site , ThatPetPlace , the Dr's. , Big Al's, and my lfs's . Never needed the warranty .
 

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How about cleaning Eheim? It's easy? (with double tap valve).

Fluval or Eheim media is re-usable? Which one hold more media?

Fluval 06 doen't come with spray bar?

It's easy to install Eheim?
 

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Can't say anything about Fluval , never had one . Eheim media ( the balls and tubes ) are reusable ... probably infinitely . If you use the blue coarse pad , it'll eventually need replacing , maybe every 4 or 6 cleanings . The white pads will last maybe 2 cleanings . I clean the filters maybe every 6 months . I keep the ceramic media in mesh bags and just remove the bags and rinse them in tank water , replace them and I'm done . I don't use either filter pad . The 2215's don't have media baskets , the stuff just pours into the canisters so mesh bags are real helpful when cleaning . It takes me maybe 15 min/filter for the whole cleaning . I've got 6 running (3 2213 , 2 2215 , 1 2013 ) so figure 2 hours twice a year for cleaning . The only thing to be careful with is to be sure the canister seal is in position .
Eheim Classic setups are easy , there's a bunch of YouTube videos out there that will help .
 

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Clean once in 6 months???
I clean my HOBs every second day...

Maybe is better to add another HOB like Fluval C4 instead of Eheim 2215 or Fluval 206?

Something like Seachem Matrix works better with canister?
 

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Have 2 Eheim 2213's and like them very much. With a bit of common sense priming them is easy. Their quick disconnects are very reliable not to leak where the block style are not as reliable. Most canisters if they are going to leak, leak through this quick attachment block.
Go to Amazon and look up the filters and see how they fair against each other and read tons of user comments.
 

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I have 7 eheim canister running at the moment. No problems priming, and don't suck on tubing for priming unless you want to ingest a nasty pathogen. I have had th fluval 206 as well, and I much prefer the eheims. I found that over time, the fluval gadgets ended up breaking and becoming brittle. I also didn't like the ribbed tubing used, it collected tons of detritis, making more work for me in the end. Also, I believe you have a customer support center there in Montreal.
 

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Just out of curoisity , what do you have in your tank that creates that much mess ? Goldfish , big cichlids , a turtle? My 4 20L's are pretty well planted and have maybe a dozen or 18 1 1/2-2" fish , killies or emperor tetras . Heavy waste gets siphoned off the bottom every month or 6 weeks . Usually there's not much . Eheims , and I guess Fluval , Filstar , and other canister filters are primarily biological filters with lots of ceramic media for bacterial colonization,
and are only secondarily particulate filters . There's a lot of room inside a 2215 canister for media , it's around 6" dia. and 11" high , probably more than most HOB's .

Never tried Matrix .Don't know anything about it .

Maybe in your case bigger/another HOB might be the answer . I don't know ... it just seems you've got a whole lot of water in motion already .
 

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what do you have in your tank that creates that much mess
Plants. I'm a littre overstocked but not that much.

2 HOBs are not too bad, but not perfect. So I'm really don't know what to add, another HOB or canister.
Bio filtration is not that important, I guess I need much more mechanical filtartion and maybe chemical.
I can add another HOB with the filter floss and Purigen, or a canister with more filter floss and more Purigen...
 

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Clean once in 6 months???
I clean my HOBs every second day...

Maybe is better to add another HOB like Fluval C4 instead of Eheim 2215 or Fluval 206?

Something like Seachem Matrix works better with canister?
I do about the same with my Eheims. HOBs will never be able to do what a canister can do. Eheim's 2211 is about one of the smaller canisters made and yet it holds 2-3 times more media than the largest HOB (AC 110).
 

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Ordered 2213. With 2215 I'll have too much flow.
I would have gone with the 2215, it can be throttled back via the quick disconnect valve on the output.
 

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So, I decided to go with Eheim 2215.
Too many leaks report about Fluval 206 on Amazon...

Will Fluval Surface Skimmer works with Eheim? Eheim skimmer is too expensive.
If you want to use the Fluval skimmer you will need an adapter...the hose size is not the same size. I tried the fluval slimmer and ended buying the Eheim surface skimmer that is separate from the filter.
 
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