The Planted Tank Forum banner
1 - 5 of 5 Posts

9 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
hi! my apologies if this is a basic question anyways lol. but as far as i've researched, there hasn't been anything all that clear as to how to cycle a planted tank. right now i have all the components for setting up a low-tech 40 gallon tank (besides live plants), though i wanted to be sure i will be cycling it correctly. is it okay to add fish somewhat immediately after i plant the aquarium? or do i have to physically add things like ammonia or bacteria for a couple weeks? thank you!

3,011 Posts
1) Set up the tank to do the fishless cycle. (correct water parameters to grow the bacteria as fast as possible)
2) Add Nitrospira (Tetra Safe Start or other)
3) Begin the fishless cycle by adding ammonia.
4) Monitor the ammonia, nitrite, nitrate.

a) If the TSS is good, then the ammonia and nitrite might only show up for 24-48 hours. Nitrate should show up after that. Add more ammonia once a day to maintain 3 ppm until the bacteria can remove all ammonia in less than 24 hours, and no nitrite shows up. This may mean a few days, mostly making sure the microorganisms are doing well. When you are ready to add fish you might need to do a water change if the NO3 is climbing, or if the fish prefer some different water parameters. Once they are established the bacteria do not care if you do a great big water change and change the mineral levels.

b) If the TSS has been in storage too long or whatever, ammonia will stay high, nitrite might or might not show up, and nitrate will probably not show up. Depends on if the bacteria are all dead, or if some are still alive. If this happens, then go on and complete the full fishless cycle. It may go a bit faster if some of the bacteria are still alive, or it might take the full 3 weeks, if the bacteria are pretty much dead.

I am including the fishless cycle so you can see the optimum water parameters, and so others reading this thread will see what we are talking about.

Cycle: To grow the beneficial bacteria that remove ammonia and nitrite from the aquarium.

Fish-In Cycle: To expose fish to toxins while using them as the source of ammonia to grow nitrogen cycle bacteria. Exposure to ammonia burns the gills and other soft tissue, stresses the fish and lowers their immunity. Exposure to nitrite makes the blood unable to carry oxygen. Research methemoglobinemia for details.

Fishless Cycle: The safe way to grow more bacteria, faster, in an aquarium, pond or riparium.

The method I give here was developed by 2 scientists who wanted to quickly grow enough bacteria to fully stock a tank all at one time, with no plants helping, and overstock it as is common with Rift Lake Cichlid tanks.

1a) Set up the tank and all the equipment. You can plant if you want. Include the proper dose of dechlorinator with the water.
Optimum water chemistry:
GH and KH above 3 German degrees of hardness. A lot harder is just fine.
pH above 7, and into the mid 8s is just fine. (7.5-8 seems to be optimum)
Temperature in the upper 70s F (mid 20s C) is good. Higher (to 95*F or about 35*C) is OK if the water is well aerated.
A trace of other minerals may help. Usually this comes in with the water, but if you have a pinch of KH2PO4, and trace elements like CSM+B that may be helpful.
High oxygen level. Make sure the filter and power heads are running well. Plenty of water circulation.
No toxins in the tank. If you washed the tank, or any part of the system with any sort of cleanser, soap, detergent, bleach or anything else make sure it is well rinsed. Do not put your hands in the tank when you are wearing any sort of cosmetics, perfume or hand lotion. No fish medicines of any sort.
A trace of salt (sodium chloride) is OK, but not required.
This method of growing bacteria will work in a marine system, too. The species of bacteria are different.

1b) Optional: Add any source of the bacteria that you are growing to seed the tank. Cycled media from a healthy tank is good. Decor or some gravel from a cycled tank is OK. Live plants or plastic are OK. I have even heard of the right bacteria growing in the bio film found on driftwood. (So if you have been soaking some driftwood in preparation to adding it to the tank, go ahead and put it into the tank) Bottled bacteria is great, but only if it contains Nitrospira species of bacteria. Read the label and do not waste your money on anything else.
At the time this was written the right species could be found in:
Dr. Tims One and Only
Tetra Safe Start
Microbe Lift Nite Out II
...and perhaps others.
You do not have to jump start the cycle. The right species of bacteria are all around, and will find the tank pretty fast.

2) Add ammonia until the test reads 5 ppm. This ammonia is the cheapest you can find. No surfactants, no perfumes. Read the fine print. This is often found at discount stores like Dollar Tree, or hardware stores like Ace. You could also use a dead shrimp from the grocery store, or fish food. Protein breaks down to become ammonia. You do not have good control over the ammonia level, though.
Some substrates release ammonia when they are submerged for the first time. Monitor the level and do enough water changes to keep the ammonia at the levels detailed below.

3) Test daily. For the first few days not much will happen, but the bacteria that remove ammonia are getting started. Finally the ammonia starts to drop. Add a little more, once a day, to test 5 ppm.

4) Test for nitrite. A day or so after the ammonia starts to drop the nitrite will show up. When it does, allow the ammonia to drop to 3 ppm.

5) Test daily. Add ammonia to 3 ppm once a day. If the nitrite or ammonia go to 5 ppm do a water change to get these lower. The ammonia removing species and the nitrite removing species (Nitrospira) do not do well when the ammonia or nitrite are over 5 ppm.

6) When the ammonia and nitrite both hit zero 24 hours after you have added the ammonia the cycle is done. You can challenge the bacteria by adding a bit more than 3 ppm ammonia, and it should be able to handle that, too, within 24 hours.

7) Now test the nitrate. Probably sky high!
Do as big a water change as needed to lower the nitrate until it is safe for fish. Certainly well under 20, and a lot lower is better. This may call for more than one water change, and up to 100% water change is not a problem. Remember the dechlor!
If you will be stocking right away (within 24 hours) no need to add more ammonia. If stocking will be delayed keep feeding the bacteria by adding ammonia to 3 ppm once a day. You will need to do another water change right before adding the fish.

Helpful hints:

A) You can run a fishless cycle in a bucket to grow bacteria on almost any filter media like bio balls, sponges, ceramic bio noodles, lava rock or Matala mats. Simply set up any sort of water circulation such as a fountain pump or air bubbler and add the media to the bucket. Follow the directions for the fishless cycle. When the cycle is done add the media to the filter. I have run a canister filter in a bucket and done the fishless cycle.

B) The nitrogen cycle bacteria will live under a wide range of conditions and bounce back from minor set backs. By following the set up suggestions in part 1a) you are setting up optimum conditions for fastest reproduction and growth.
GH and KH can be as low as 1 degree, but watch it! These bacteria may use the carbon in carbonates, and if it is all used up (KH = 0) the bacteria may die off. They use the carbon from CO2, and this is generally pretty low in water, but can be replenished from the air and from carbonates. Keep the carbonates up to keep the pH up, too.
pH as low as 6.5 is OK, but by 6.0 the bacteria are not going to be doing very well. They are still there, and will recover pretty well when conditions get better. To grow them at optimum rates, keep the pH on the alkaline side of neutral.
Temperature almost to freezing is OK, but they must not freeze, and they are not very active at all. They do survive in a pond, but they are slow to warm up and get going in the spring. This is where you might need to grow some in a bucket in a warm place and supplement the pond population. Too warm is not good, either. Tropical or room temperature tank temperatures are best. (68 to 85*F or 20 to 28*C)
Moderate oxygen can be tolerated for a while. However, to remove lots of ammonia and nitrite these bacteria must have oxygen. They turn one into the other by adding oxygen. If you must stop running the filter for an hour or so, no problem. If longer, remove the media and keep it where it will get more oxygen.
Once the bacteria are established they can tolerate some fish medicines. This is because they live in a complex film called Bio film on all the surfaces in the filter and the tank. Medicines do not enter the bio film well.
These bacteria do not need to live under water. They do just fine in a humid location. They live in healthy garden soil, as well as wet locations.

C) Planted tanks may not tolerate 3 ppm or 5 ppm ammonia. It is possible to cycle the tank at lower levels of ammonia so the plants do not get ammonia burn. Add ammonia to only 1 ppm, but test twice a day, and add ammonia as needed to keep it at 1 ppm. The plants are also part of the bio filter, and you may be able to add the fish sooner, if the plants are thriving. 1 ppm twice a day will grow almost as much bacteria as 3 ppm once a day.
Direct quote from one of Diana's dozen quotes of how to cycle a tank. It is actually quite concrete and documented throughout this site many times.

I severely overdosed ammonia on my most recent tank.

29 Posts
I used that guide to cycle my tank just about 3-4 weeks ago. I used Terta safe start and bought ammonia from dollar tree. Not much will happen in the first few days. But I got it cycled in about 2 weeks. Just have patience and just stick to the guide. Everyday I tested the water I had the guide up to re-read it. Just to make sure I didn't miss anything. Good luck!

3,011 Posts
I used that guide to cycle my tank just about 3-4 weeks ago. I used Terta safe start and bought ammonia from dollar tree. Not much will happen in the first few days. But I got it cycled in about 2 weeks. Just have patience and just stick to the guide. Everyday I tested the water I had the guide up to re-read it. Just to make sure I didn't miss anything. Good luck!
Sounds like me the first time I did it! I just did it again, started about a month ago. I added fish this past weekend. No issues of a mini-cycle or anything negative. It is very easy to do! :D I didn't use anything as far as tetra safe start or seeded media.

18 Posts
I was/am in the same boat. Started a 55g planted tank 10 days ago. Used Seachem Stability for 8 days per instructions. Also had the filter media seeded from an established tank. The plants also lived in an established tank before being brought over.

Added a few hardy danios a few days into the process. A couple platies a few days later. Monitoring the parameters daily. So far fish and plants both look good.

No spikes in ammonia or nitrite. Nitrite has been zero. Ammonia is very nearly zero. Finally got some Nitrate reading a couple days ago at around 5.

I wasn't sure if the tank was silently cycling or not cycling at all. But, according to Seachem's tech support, it is common to not see a spike in Ammonia and Nitrite if cycling with Stability. So I'll just keep monitoring and see what happens.
1 - 5 of 5 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.