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Clown's Twin 10 Gallon Caridina Shrimp Tanks

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So I just picked up a couple 10 gallon tanks from Petco. I will be starting a new project for these tanks. Both of these tanks will have Caridina shrimp. One will be a cull tank for my CRS that are breeding like crazy in my 20 gallon tank. Tank journal for that one can be found in my sig. The second one will be for Blue Bolts(Caridina cf Cantonesis)(Blue King Kongs). Each tank will have the same exact paramaters. I will be using Controsoil for both tanks to keep the PH where it needs to be. I will be remineralizing RO water with Salty Shrimp GH+. I already have the lights and filters. For the lights I have a Finnex stingray and for the other a Beamswork DA FSPEC. I will be dimming the FSPEC as these will be low tech and full light with the FSPEC is bound to bring too much algae. This has worked well on my 20 gallon CRS tank. The Stingray is already low enough that it should not cause issues. For the plants they will be low light low demanding plants that include Mosses, Ferns, and Buce's. For the filters I already have two AquaClear HOB's. One is a 50 and one a 70. They are fine as I can slow down the flow of them if need be. I was already using the 70 on my 20 gallon before I got the Fluval 206 for that. I will be using sponge guards for the intake's. The good thing about this project is I already have everything I need except for the Controsoil which I will be getting soon. So all I have now is a pic of the two tanks as nothing is setup yet. Once I get the Controsoil I will begin to cycle the tanks which should go pretty fast. I will use some media from my existing cycled tanks which will greatly speed up the process.

I cannot wait to get this going as it will help me keep my high grade CRS in my main 20 gallon and also will allow me to get some Blue Bolts which I have wanted for a long time.

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Cool stuff clown. What shelving are you using ?

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That's the shelves in the garage. The tanks are sitting there for now. Will not be using the shelves though. The tanks will be inside.


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Any CO2 or metricide? I just rehomed the occupants of my 11.4. Its totally cycled and ready, but I'm going to clean it up and tear out all the stems. Ive only had Red cherry shrimp before and they bred like crazy, but Tigers and CRS didn't survive in my tank water. I was thinking of draining 95% of the water and using RO and remineralizing. Is there a standard amount of whatever to get the perameters right for blue bolts?? I really want to do carbon Rilis or blue bolts. Ive got a little yeast reactor setup with a valve and 2 2 liter bottle on it now.
What perameters are you shooting for? Id appreciate as much detail as you could provide
No co2 or metricide. Will just be using ThriveS for these tanks. It will be as low tech as possible really. Like I said low demanding plants is all and low light. My plan is to keep these tanks simple and efficent for Caridina. The Blue Bolts parameters are going to be the same as the CRS. You really need to keep them in the optimal range to be able to thrive. Or you will find out real fast they will not make it.

PH 6.5
GH 5
KH 0
Nitrates 5ppm
Temp 72
tds 150-180.

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Are you building a rack for them or ?.

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Not sure what I will do. Will probably just get a couple stands or maybe one that will hold both tanks. They both will be right next to eachother. I may search Craigslist. Trying to keep this as cheap as possible.
 

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Ok so a little update. Went to Walmart and picked up a couple stands. Again think functional here [emoji16]. So I figure I will use my Beamswork Fspec 48" light that will cover both the tanks. So both tanks will be nearly identical. Except one has the AQ70 and one has the AQ50. Both overkill I know. Had these from before. What I love about these filters is lots of room for media and also can slooooooooooooow the floooooooooow [emoji16]. Next will fill with regular ol tap water and just cycle. I am in no hurry as it will be a good month or two before I will add any shrimp to them. So just will do the old ammonia cycle.

So what is so awesome about this is as you can see the tanks are right next to my work desk at home which I get to work at 90% of the time. How killer is that.




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This is going to be a good thread I can tell :) How bright is the light? I'm doing almost the same thing you are but I have a dhl 6500k I was thinking about using. Was kind of worried it may be too much on the 10gals though.Im also going the low light route and only planning on mini pelia, some moss and maybe a flamino crypt or something.


This is the DA FSPEC 10,000k. I have the DHL on my 60 gallon. This one I had laying around from when I did the par readings for the different beamswork lights. It most definitely will be too much light for these tanks. Easily fixable though with this dimmer. Current USA Truelumen Inline Dimmer for 12 and 24-Volt LED Strip https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008FC04I8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_WILLzbJ08EQP1

The dimmer works for both the Beamswork DHL and FSPEC. I have one on my 20 gallon that brought the par down from 80 to now 40.


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Well it has been a few days since I updated these tanks journal but really not much going on. Well I did get the Controsoil in the tanks. I got a single 10L bag that gave me 1 1/2" of substrate in each tank and want 2" so I ordered another 3L bag that will get split for the two tanks that should give me 2" that I want. As you can see they really are twins. Whats funny is you really cannot see in the pic but the two temps are exactly the same at 81.5f right now. I have heaters in them to help speed the cycle a bit. And the TDS in the left tank is 146 and in the right tank is 147. Both GH are 6.5 with KH 0. Both PH are 6.2. Its funny because I never really thought how they really would be twins but apparently they are. Maybe I am taking it a bit too far? Well I figure that the two will have species that have the exact same parameters so why not. Its just funny that anything I do on one I do on the other like a water tests, water changes, each one has a pot with a bamboo plant. The only thing that is different between the two is one has an AQ70 and the other has an AQ50. Well I will not bore you anymore.
 

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I am really curious to see if the cycle is the same as well.....

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Well I guess we will never find out as they are both fully cycled. I guess I just didn't want to wait anymore. The benefits of having an extra filter that is fully cycled.

So my 60 gallon high tech tank has a Fluval fx4 and a fluval 306. Now the 306 is just used mainly for co2 and an inline heater. Well I always have bio media in it so the media is fully cycled. Well I took the two trays of media and put them in the two 10 gallon filters and just happen to be the perfect amount. Trust me there will be no BB issue in the 60 as the fx4 has more than enough. This is why it's so great running a dedicated filter for co2 that has media in it that is always ready to use for whatever. In this case the two 10 gallons.

So today was a very busy day. Getting 20 gallons of RO prepped water done. Getting the additional substrate that now gives me 2" of Controsoil which is exactly what I wanted. Got the cycled media in the tanks. Filled with the new water. Planted a couple anubias plants that I took from the 60 gallon. Then I covered the hob filter intakes with the sponges that will keep any from getting sucked in. So all in all a very productive day

So my plan is as soon as one of the 10's is ready which should be in less than a week I will move some of the high grade SS CRS into the 10. I will leave the 20 long as a cull tank for the CRS. And the other 10 will be for only Blue Bolts.



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Do you mind sharing how you prepared the water? I will have to find an RODI machine near me to get the water, but how / what did you use to remineralize? I'm considering doing Tibee's instead of Carbon Rili's. How necessary is the buffering substrate? I don't really want to replace substrate especially since everything is cycled.
I use Salty Shrimp GH+ as the mineral to raise the GH. This stuff has a cleaner tds(lower) than most typical gh boosters which is why I prefer it. Caridina's prefer a lower tds. What I do is fill the bucket with RO then I add the Salty Shrimp. I have a powerhead in the bucket that makes sure the minerals are good and mixed. I can tell when it is fully mixed by when the tds is at a certain point and stops raising. So yesterday I just waited about an hour before adding to the tank. Typically you want to age the water before adding to the tank. So when I have shrimp in the tank I prep the water a few days ahead of time before adding to the tank.

As far as a buffering substrate it is really preferred because Cardinia's like acidic water typically a KH of 2 or less. The problem with having a low KH is the potential PH swings you will get which are very deadly especially to shrimp. So a buffering substrate will prevent this from happening at all while allowing you to have a KH of 0 which in turn also allows for lower tds. So it can be done without a buffering substrate but it is more difficult and if they did not come from less acidic water and higher ph then they may not thrive but simply survive.

Check my 20L CRS journal and you will see I use BDBS as my substrate. Keep in mind though they came from someone that has them in higher KH and PH which is why they are doing great in there. But I also do part tap and part RO for them and age the water as well. You can see the specifics in that journal in my sig.
 

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Wanted to add that I got the Controsoil from @SubstrateSource and could not be happier. I got the stuff in two days from ordering and his price even beat Amazon. This stuff really gives you the preferred parameters for Cardinia Shrimp which was recommended to me from @Aqua99. I have seen where some even prefer it over ADA Aquasoil.
 

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Ok so I know I havent updated this for a while but really no reason to. Really was just cycling the tank along making sure it was good to go. Somehow I managed to kill the BB by adding too much ammonia and am sure the low PH and 0KH didnt help either. Either way they are ready to go now and I have moved a few of my CRS(2 adults and 5 babies) into one of the tanks that is ready(the left one). So far I have moved an adult female and male in along with the 5 babies. I tell you they are harder to catch than I thought. They are actually very fast when they need to be when catching with a net. So it will be a long process trying to get my high grades out of the other tank and into this one. Right now I have a net down in the old tank that has some food in it in hopes it catches some of the ones I want to transfer. Will take a few days to get all of the ones I want out of that one and in the new one. Well here are a few pics. Oh I will be adding some moss right now I am soaking in some Potassium Permanganate to ensure there are no snails or seed shrimp as I want to try and keep these tanks rid of any of those.




 

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beautiful shrimp man!
I love their color intensity, I put my crs in 12 days ago, but they didn't show the intense coloration yours do.
They did color up a lot over the past few days, but i think yours will eventually look far better ;P
I might have to do a lot of selective breeding if they every do breed, do you perhaps know how long it can take until they start breeding?
anyways, keep us posted (I'm very interested in shrimp tanks all of a sudden, they are just do darn fun to look at XD)!
Yeah they take a few days from when you first get them to color up really well. Its ok this is completely normal they are stressed and once they settle in and feel more comfortable you can tell with their colors. You will most likely not see any breeding or berried females for about 2 months. That is how long it took before I got my first berried. But once my first one got berried the other females followed suit it seems as I had a total of 5 berried in a matter of another 2 weeks. So just have patience. Let them adjust and try not to change too many things. Just do a good 25% wc each week or two and ensure the tds is in range and nitrates below 10ppm or so. Also ensure the temp is below 75. Do this and I promise you will have tons of babies running around before you know it.

I also got hooked on having shrimp tanks as I now have three shrimp tanks to my one co2/planted/fish tank.
 

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Ok so after a long while I have an update. After a very very long journey for the Pure Red Line they have arrived and are doing well. You can read about their amazing journey here. http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/8...rates/1206018-prl-survivors-true-miracle.html

These PRL all have amazing colors and sorry but I have very poor pic taking skills. I like this shot though I call it "The Formation". It reminds me back in the day in the Army having to line up in formation. All 5 of them actually were all perfectly lined up but by the time I noticed and got my phone out to take a pic he had moved up and out a little. Still very cool how all 4 are lined up like that. Waiting for orders or something LMAO. Going to call these guys true soldiers though because I cannot believe they survived the long journey they did. So far all 15 of them are still alive and doing very well. I really wish I could get some good pics to show you how amazing the colors are. They are all SS-SSS grades(mostly SSS)

So I did some changes as far as the filters go. The two AQ HOB's I had (AQ50 and AQ70) were much too strong even on their lowest setting. So strong if the water level even dropped 1/2" lower it would start moving the substrate in front creating a wave. I know there is not that many options for canister filters for these small of tanks but the SunSun is one that works. I got two SunSun 603B's. I really like these especially the fact they come with a spray bar. I like the spray bars so much I ended up buying a spray bar kit for my 20 gallon tank that has all of my CRS in it(never had a spray bar before). It ripples the top just the right amount for good flow and extra o2 but does not disturb the substrate like the HOB's did.





They right tank that the new arrivals are in




And some CRS in the left 10 gallon tank


 
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