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Heavily planted tank, Chili rasbora have been in tank for around 1 month, while otos and RCS are there for over 6 months.

Noticed the curved spine on this Chili rasbora in recently (this week), does it look like fish TB? It's spine was perfectly fine when I first got it, expect for one of its eyes.
 

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It could be a mild case of t.b. Apparently there are a number of strains with different types of presentation. Feeding a variety of foods including live is one way to boost their immune system. I missed the eye pop as that is also a t.b. sign.
 

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Is feeding a variety of food with live food and monitor it the only way? any medication/treatment that might help them?
 

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The appearance of a curved spine can also be evident in many other situations of disease/parasites. When a fish becomes emaciated, then the loss of body mass makes the fish appear to have a curved spine.
If the fish is still actively eating, I wouldn't think it would be TB, but an internal parasite. I would try feeding with API General Cure which is a combination of praziquantel and metronidazole. This will treat for flatworms and protozoa. To feed the General Cure, would use a binder like Seachem Focus or a food-grade gelatin like Knox gelatin. The binder makes sure the medicine adheres to food when gets dropped in water.

Is the eye swollen only on one side or both?
 

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The appearance of a curved spine can also be evident in many other situations of disease/parasites. When a fish becomes emaciated, then the loss of body mass makes the fish appear to have a curved spine.
If the fish is still actively eating, I wouldn't think it would be TB, but an internal parasite. I would try feeding with API General Cure which is a combination of praziquantel and metronidazole. This will treat for flatworms and protozoa. To feed the General Cure, would use a binder like Seachem Focus or a food-grade gelatin like Knox gelatin. The binder makes sure the medicine adheres to food when gets dropped in water.

Is the eye swollen only on one side or both?
Would general cure work with repashy and would it be good to feed when quarantining?
 

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Would general cure work with repashy and would it be good to feed when quarantining?
I havent used repashy. Does it have gelatine or some type of binder in its ingredients?



I only treat with metronidazole proactively with South American cichlids because they are so prone to protozoa in the gut. I feel that other fish- tetras, rasboras, corydoras, etc,,, dont need this.

I often treat with Praziquantel ( I use Hikari Prazipro) for tapeworm. Praziquantel is a very mild anti-parasitic drug that is harmless to fish. This will take care of common gut worms that you often dont notice until the parasite has gotten so bad it has led to a secondary bacterial infection or even a blockage.



So, to answer your question- yes, if you have South American cichlids (Discus, angels, geophagus, biotodoma cupidos, rams, etc...) I would proactively treat with General Cure.
 

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The appearance of a curved spine can also be evident in many other situations of disease/parasites. When a fish becomes emaciated, then the loss of body mass makes the fish appear to have a curved spine.
If the fish is still actively eating, I wouldn't think it would be TB, but an internal parasite. I would try feeding with API General Cure which is a combination of praziquantel and metronidazole. This will treat for flatworms and protozoa. To feed the General Cure, would use a binder like Seachem Focus or a food-grade gelatin like Knox gelatin. The binder makes sure the medicine adheres to food when gets dropped in water.

Is the eye swollen only on one side or both?

Thank you for your reply!
The left eye is swollen I suppose, as the right side looks normal when comparing with other chili rasbora. The belly seems to be sunken.
I only have paraguard and some fenbendazole leftover when I was treating the tank for planaria over 6 months ago. Maybe I should start with paraguard?
 

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I havent used repashy. Does it have gelatine or some type of binder in its ingredients?



I only treat with metronidazole proactively with South American cichlids because they are so prone to protozoa in the gut. I feel that other fish- tetras, rasboras, corydoras, etc,,, dont need this.

I often treat with Praziquantel ( I use Hikari Prazipro) for tapeworm. Praziquantel is a very mild anti-parasitic drug that is harmless to fish. This will take care of common gut worms that you often dont notice until the parasite has gotten so bad it has led to a secondary bacterial infection or even a blockage.



So, to answer your question- yes, if you have South American cichlids (Discus, angels, geophagus, biotodoma cupidos, rams, etc...) I would proactively treat with General Cure.

Repashy is a powder that you mix with boiling water and let it settle which results in a jello-like food, so yes it has gelatin. However, you answered my next question about feeding prophylactically. I may mix some in with my next batch that I feed the angels with or I may get some Parzipro. My tank population is stable, so I'm not worried about introducing pathogens with new stock. Would you recommend Parzipro as a general treatment?
 

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feed him a ton of garlic too. poach the fish food in seachem garlic gaurd and mince very fine garlic and mix it with the food great immune support for sick fish
 

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Thanks I will try. The fish is still eating but become less active recently. Noticed that the spine is a little curved when looking at the top, and he is sometimes leaning towards one side. Looking from the top he is very thin and with sunken belly, not so optimistic.
 

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Another chili rasbora of the same tank starts to show similar symptoms 2 months after the last one. Actively eating and swimming but getting thinner in the past week, no swollen eye. Never seen them poo so cannot confirm if it is internal parasite. Any suggestion on treatment?
 

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Another chili rasbora of the same tank starts to show similar symptoms 2 months after the last one. Actively eating and swimming but getting thinner in the past week, no swollen eye. Never seen them poo so cannot confirm if it is internal parasite. Any suggestion on treatment?
Did you try the suggestions already made?
 

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Did you try the suggestions already made?
I got some anti parasitic medication today since I cannot get API General Cure at where I am nor on Amazon. The direction is to treat the water column for 3 days. I'll see if they get better.
 

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Did you try the suggestions already made?
Unfortunately, one of them died from swim bladder disorder, with bloated stomach and loss of appetite. Will this be related to the other deaths or symptoms (sunken belly but actively eating ones)?
 

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I got some anti parasitic medication today since I cannot get API General Cure at where I am nor on Amazon. The direction is to treat the water column for 3 days. I'll see if they get better.
3 day treatment will take care of any flatworms due to active ingredient praziquantel. However, if it is a protozoan infection, it is the metronidazole that is needed for that. General Cure does contain both active ingredients, but its misleading for users ( that 3 days treatment is all that is needed) because protozoan infections should be treated for 10 days. Also, metronidazole breaks down quickly in the aquarium-- so, its better to feed this medication in food with a binder like Seachem Focus or a food grade gelatin like Knox.

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Unfortunately, one of them died from swim bladder disorder, with bloated stomach and loss of appetite. Will this be related to the other deaths or symptoms (sunken belly but actively eating ones)?
Internal parasites can be consistent with both the swim bladder infection and the sunken in belly of actively eating ones.



As a parasite infection progresses, a fish can either get on obstruction due to worms in gut, leading to secondary bacterial infection or the swollen belly/swim bladder issues can be a sign of internal organs shutting down from internal bacterial infection caused by parasite. Parasites are the underlying cause but it is infection or obstruction and infection that lead to death.



A lot of times the first indication one has of fish with parasites is a sunken in belly while still actively eating. Most of the time this will be tapeworm and 3 days of prazi will take care of it. But, sometimes, it can also be protozoan. To be sure, try 3 days of the General Cure in feed and look for the fish to dispel worms. if you pay attention, especially about 12- 24 hours later after feeding, you will be able to confirm a flatworm diagnosis.
 

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A lot of times the first indication one has of fish with parasites is a sunken in belly while still actively eating. Most of the time this will be tapeworm and 3 days of prazi will take care of it. But, sometimes, it can also be protozoan. To be sure, try 3 days of the General Cure in feed and look for the fish to dispel worms. if you pay attention, especially about 12- 24 hours later after feeding, you will be able to confirm a flatworm diagnosis.
Thank you for your very detailed explanation. After a 24 hours treatment of anti parasitic med (as I cannot find API general cure anywhere) on both (sunken belly and swim bladder one), I can hardly see any feces at the bottom of the separated tank. And now the sunken belly one stopped responding to any food and looking to be weaker than before, is it already too late?

Should I continue the treatment and should I treat the remaining group while they look healthy as preventive measure? I'm afraid this will stress them more.
 

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Thank you for your very detailed explanation. After a 24 hours treatment of anti parasitic med (as I cannot find API general cure anywhere) on both (sunken belly and swim bladder one), I can hardly see any feces at the bottom of the separated tank. And now the sunken belly one stopped responding to any food and looking to be weaker than before, is it already too late?

Should I continue the treatment and should I treat the remaining group while they look healthy as preventive measure? I'm afraid this will stress them more.
What are active ingredients of anti-parasitic med?



By the time they stop eating you are dealing with internal bacterial infection.

You can treat with antibiotic kanamycin (active ingredient in Seachem Kanaplex).
 
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