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I've been breeding the Scarlet Badis for a little while now and I thought some people might be interested in how I did it and the really significant advantages of captive bred badis over wild caught or farmed specimens imported from India.
These fish are not often bred in captivity because almost no females are exported from India at all due to their drab colouration compared to the males. Even when you find a tank at the LFS that has pale, almost colourless specimens these turn out to be subdominant males 98% of the time and colour up to their full potential once isolated.
It took me a very long time to find a female and begin my experiments with breeding them.

Once you have a confirmed pair breeding is just a matter of providing the right conditions and sufficient food. I bred my first pair in a 50L nano tank with 23c soft water that was densely planted with plenty of moss and driftwood to provide hiding places. I used an internal biological filter with the outlet positioned to minimise flow in the tank. I began offering the adult pair as much livefood as they could eat. Grindal worms, Moina macrocopa, Ceriodaphnia and microworms. Under these conditions the male will quickly develop his impressive breeding colours but the females take a little bit longer to fatten up. They will become noticeably swollen with eggs when they are ready to breed.
The male will often chase the female around the tank and she communicates when she's ready to produce eggs by flashing her dark stripes. The females can make the black vertical stripes they have appear and disappear instantaneously almost like a cuttlefish.

Contrary to what I've seen reported elsewhere and from other people who have bred these fish the adults absolutely do not appear to eat their own fry at any stage of development. They don't seem to demonstrate any particular parental care either after they've hatched like some Apistogramma do but they absolutely will not eat them as long as they are well fed. I have raised 100% of my badis fry in the same tanks as the parents. I think where people suspect the parents to have eaten them they have been providing an insufficient diet to either the parents or fry. Fry are about as small as they come initially and almost impossible to see with the naked eye. If you look closely to will notice them hanging stationary on plant leaves and other objects in the tank. Once they become free swimming they will tend to stay entirely hidden in clumps of moss. I fed the fry initially on rotifers, then microworms and ceriodaphnia (even smaller than moina), and then once they were large enough moina macrocopa and grindal worms.

The main advantage of breeding these fish is that captive bred fry can be easily trained onto certain dried food. Many people struggle to get badis to thrive in their tanks because they can't provide sufficient tiny live foods and almost all shop bought specimens will be half starved at the point of sale for the same reason. It is almost impossible to train these wild caught/farmed fish onto any form of dried food or even frozen food however I have been able to train all of the fry I've produced to accept dried decapsulated brine shrimp eggs. Live foods should still be offered to maximise health and vitality but decapped brine shrimp eggs are a nutritious staple diet for them.

I'll include some videos and pictures. First of all the breeding tank.

Here are some captive bred badis eating dried food.

A thriving culture of ceriodaphnia

A female demonstrating her dark stripes and just a hint of blue.

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This male has an unusual amount of blue colouration - it's not a trick of the light. He really stands out from the crowd and I'm tempted to try and selectively breed a high blue line of badis.
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Thought I had a female for months. Then he wasn't.....
Absolutely classic. Went through this several times myself. It was only after I actually saw a confirmed female in person that I really knew what to look for in order to distinguish the odd 1/100 that might be female at LFS.
The females have a noticeably different shape particularly around the head. The other thing to watch out for is that females will never ever have even a hint of red. They may have little flashes of blue but any badis with even the faintest hint of red colouration anywhere on its body is a male 100% guaranteed. I've seen a lot of shops selling "pairs" of dominant male badis with a bullied sudominant male badis and driven cross country on more than one occasion to a shop that "definitely" had females only to find tanks full of subdominant males.
 

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If you can post a picture I'll be able to tell you for certain but the surest indicator of not being a female is the presence of any red colouration at all. How long have you had it for?
A few months, It was bullied pretty badly by the other one. After I moved em to a larger tank, they seem to be friends now and the weak one will follow the other one around. I guess i thought they could be male and female from that.
 

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Absolutely classic. Went through this several times myself. It was only after I actually saw a confirmed female in person that I really knew what to look for in order to distinguish the odd 1/100 that might be female at LFS.
The females have a noticeably different shape particularly around the head. The other thing to watch out for is that females will never ever have even a hint of red. They may have little flashes of blue but any badis with even the faintest hint of red colouration anywhere on its body is a male 100% guaranteed. I've seen a lot of shops selling "pairs" of dominant male badis with a bullied sudominant male badis and driven cross country on more than one occasion to a shop that "definitely" had females only to find tanks full of subdominant males.
Yeah, I didn't go that far down, but this one I got was plain drab silver, had like greyish vertical bars. But yeah, in the end.... Weird thing to me is I kept it on it's own for months just to be sure, figureing it would color up with no competition. Once I was 'sure' it was female I took my pick of the 3 males I had, two days later this little guy was like a California Poppy; all orange and what I wanted to see. Oh well, so it goes. Their legend continues on, until you came along.

It was really cool to see a group of them. Somehow just looking at a photo of them feeding together makes is look so obivious though I know it's not. Had a similar thing with some wild betta types I tried to get. I still have them, but them is two dudes...
 

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A few months, It was bullied pretty badly by the other one. After I moved em to a larger tank, they seem to be friends now and the weak one will follow the other one around. I guess i thought they could be male and female from that.
Their behaviour, especially male aggression to one another, seems to be moderated by various environmental cues. In small tanks sometimes if you only have two males and insufficient hiding places or appropriate spots for them to establish seperate territories to defend they will battle and display to each other to the point that it becomes a problem - but if you have ten males in the same tank their aggression becomes so diluted that there's barely any fighting at all.
Higher levels of flow also seems to really suppress their aggrression.
I heard from people in India that they are often found in huge shoals in the wild so I guess it makes sense that their behaviour changes once the population reaches a certain density.

It was really cool to see a group of them. Somehow just looking at a photo of them feeding together makes is look so obivious though I know it's not. Had a similar thing with some wild betta types I tried to get. I still have them, but them is two dudes...
I know exactly what you mean. It was only when I saw a pair in a nano tank over in Germany that it really clicked just how easily you can actually tell them apart once you really know what to look for.
It's made more difficult by the fact that up until a certain point of development the males and females are totally indistinguishable but often they are shipped for sale the minute most of them start showing colour so you will have males mixed in that really don't have any of the chracteristic colour signals.
All of the fry, both male and female start out with black/dark stripes to begin with for camouflage.
 

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I've been breeding the Scarlet Badis for a little while now and I thought some people might be interested in how I did it and the really significant advantages of captive bred badis over wild caught or farmed specimens imported from India.
These fish are not often bred in captivity because almost no females are exported from India at all due to their drab colouration compared to the males. Even when you find a tank at the LFS that has pale, almost colourless specimens these turn out to be subdominant males 98% of the time and colour up to their full potential once isolated.
It took me a very long time to find a female and begin my experiments with breeding them.

Once you have a confirmed pair breeding is just a matter of providing the right conditions and sufficient food. I bred my first pair in a 50L nano tank with 23c soft water that was densely planted with plenty of moss and driftwood to provide hiding places. I used an internal biological filter with the outlet positioned to minimise flow in the tank. I began offering the adult pair as much livefood as they could eat. Grindal worms, Moina macrocopa, Ceriodaphnia and microworms. Under these conditions the male will quickly develop his impressive breeding colours but the females take a little bit longer to fatten up. They will become noticeably swollen with eggs when they are ready to breed.
The male will often chase the female around the tank and she communicates when she's ready to produce eggs by flashing her dark stripes. The females can make the black vertical stripes they have appear and disappear instantaneously almost like a cuttlefish.

Contrary to what I've seen reported elsewhere and from other people who have bred these fish the adults absolutely do not appear to eat their own fry at any stage of development. They don't seem to demonstrate any particular parental care either after they've hatched like some Apistogramma do but they absolutely will not eat them as long as they are well fed. I have raised 100% of my badis fry in the same tanks as the parents. I think where people suspect the parents to have eaten them they have been providing an insufficient diet to either the parents or fry. Fry are about as small as they come initially and almost impossible to see with the naked eye. If you look closely to will notice them hanging stationary on plant leaves and other objects in the tank. Once they become free swimming they will tend to stay entirely hidden in clumps of moss. I fed the fry initially on rotifers, then microworms and ceriodaphnia (even smaller than moina), and then once they were large enough moina macrocopa and grindal worms.

The main advantage of breeding these fish is that captive bred fry can be easily trained onto certain dried food. Many people struggle to get badis to thrive in their tanks because they can't provide sufficient tiny live foods and almost all shop bought specimens will be half starved at the point of sale for the same reason. It is almost impossible to train these wild caught/farmed fish onto any form of dried food or even frozen food however I have been able to train all of the fry I've produced to accept dried decapsulated brine shrimp eggs. Live foods should still be offered to maximise health and vitality but decapped brine shrimp eggs are a nutritious staple diet for them.

I'll include some videos and pictures. First of all the breeding tank.

Here are some captive bred badis eating dried food.

A thriving culture of ceriodaphnia

A female demonstrating her dark stripes and just a hint of blue.

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This male has an unusual amount of blue colouration - it's not a trick of the light. He really stands out from the crowd and I'm tempted to try and selectively breed a high blue line of badis.
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It's Male from what I've read up on them Females have no red coloration in them.
Tons of false information on this fish around the internet. It's hard to trust what you read.
I have been trying to find people that know information to compare thoughts.

Look at the body shape, short and stubby, it is about 3/4 the size of a male and a stubby face... but it has red dots where males have stripes.
(I'll make another comment since I just got some facts that I have waited for)

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Six months trying to get this fish to show colors. Thought it was a female then the red spots showed up. Tried everything to color it up. Then decided to see if it was really a female since everything else said it was, even mated.

Three months in a tank with her and a male. Removed them yesterday to try a smaller tank and thirty minutes ago I saw fry in the old tank.

This fish with the red spots is a confirmed female.
 

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I got a “female” from a store yesterday (or so I was told) though not sure if she’s actually a scarlet Badis. Seems to be missing the front fins and is a really distinguished female if she actually is one. Can anyone ID?
That's not a female scarlet badis anyway. It looks like a female black tiger badis - Dario tigris.
 

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I got a “female” from a store yesterday (or so I was told) though not sure if she’s actually a scarlet Badis. Seems to be missing the front fins and is a really distinguished female if she actually is one. Can anyone ID?
I don't think it's even a Dario species. It looks to me like a female Badis badis.
 
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