[bandaiban]

This is my personal experience with these shrimps. I am really disappointed with what i got, and it seems like a lot of people is on the same boat. So just a heads up if anyone of you is about to spend your money on them. I think you should wait it out for a couple more months for breeders to have them breed more true. Out of 40 young baby shrimps, only 5 of them is good to keep to breed. The rest will be culls. I notice nobody is selling them as juvies or young adults, they're being sold as adults. So think twice before you invest in them.

Why can't they all look like this?

 

[James He]

you may wait a little bit longer to determine.

I heard it would turn more red over time.

 

[Subtletanks91]

This is normal with all new shrimp coming into the market, none breed true. Bloody Mary are supposed to be characterized as having short rostroms, yet a lot being exported to the us, and even bred and sold in the us have long rostroms.

Once everyone sees a new shrimp color, species etc, everyone jumps on it without any research. With no questions, and this is the buyers fault not only the sellers.

I do agree wait it out. The shrimp pix you posted seem to have orange flesh tone, once the shell color thickens and colors in all the way it should be a solid red. Bloody Mary's were bred for red or orange flesh tone to darken the outer red shell.

 

[jimko]

yeah. Rili shrimp are starting to pop out from my group. After eradicating all my rili and pfrs and starting new tanks I'm starting to get them in the BM group. Also, got shrimp that are orange, almost clear, yellow. It's a crazy group. I'm beginning to feel there may have been an additive in the food they feed the shrimps. Some hocus pocus stuff before importing out to get them to turn intense red. It may cover a couple of generations, but once the additive dilutes out well start seeing more and more true colors or flaws in the group.

??? Rili shrimps, really... that's the furthest away you can be in terms of red from BMs.

 

[Solcielo lawrencia]

Rili is probably just a mutation or gene expression change. I got a single Rili from Supreme Reds after several generations.

 

[Subtletanks91]

If it was a food additive or a die it wouldn't effect the young or shrimplets being born. So for it to start "wearing off after a few generations" doesn't really make sence.

There are true bloody Mary's out there. They have red or orange flesh and a red shell. But the key characteristic is a short rostrom.

There has been a huge discussion on it on another forum, this is nothing new.

Bump: Also realize that water parameters affect color intensities greatly. What could be a Taiwan fire red in my tank could be a pfr in someone else's tank. No two tanks are alike. Everyone's water chemistry is different.

 

[colorfan]

Im getting Rili also out of my BMs

 

[ch3fb0yrdee]

This is my personal experience with these shrimps. I am really disappointed with what i got, and it seems like a lot of people is on the same boat. So just a heads up if anyone of you is about to spend your money on them. I think you should wait it out for a couple more months for breeders to have them breed more true. Out of 40 young baby shrimps, only 5 of them is good to keep to breed. The rest will be culls. I notice nobody is selling them as juvies or young adults, they're being sold as adults. So think twice before you invest in them.

Why can't they all look like this?

Real shame. I did know that the impurity was an underlining issue with the Bloody Mary. If I'm correct, another member experienced this random mutation a year and a half ago and posted his findings on The Planted Tank. EbiKen identified the shrimp as a Bloody Mary and estimated it would hit the market sometime this year, once a larger population could be produced and genes stabilized. I guess the genes never really stabilized. It's quite unfortunate as the shrimp itself is very nice, but for such top dollars (yes they are sold at huge premiums for being Neos) their genes are still to random to justify the huffy. I've spoken with a few members privately on the subject of Bloody Mary. There's so many shrimps available now that I chose not to get into Bloody Mary. Lucky for me.

This is normal with all new shrimp coming into the market, none breed true. Bloody Mary are supposed to be characterized as having short rostroms, yet a lot being exported to the us, and even bred and sold in the us have long rostroms.

Once everyone sees a new shrimp color, species etc, everyone jumps on it without any research. With no questions, and this is the buyers fault not only the sellers.

I do agree to wait it out. The shrimp pix you posted seem to have orange flesh tone, once the shell color thickens and colors in all the way it should be a solid red. Bloody Mary's were bred for red or orange flesh tone to darken the outer red shell.

I'm not sure how normal it is, but it has become the norm. It wasn't like this before, at least not from what I could remember. There were certain minimal standards kept before as to what could be expected from a new shrimp. Given, shrimps didn't enter the market as rapidly as it did in the past. I believe this was because original breeders kept on to their product and worked at it until it was ready for market. Nowadays, it's either your first, or you're last. This is especially true with Neo who's can breed so rapidly profit is significantly reduced once it becomes available to the public.

I heard that when Red Rili were the new hotness, there were two breeders simultaneously working on the strain not even realizing.

Agreed that it's equally important for the seller to inform buyers if such "impurities" in the lineage and the buyer's own do-diligence to research before buying.

It's just so hard when there's so many fantastic pictures!!

yeah. Rili shrimp are starting to pop out from my group. After eradicating all my rili and pfrs and starting new tanks I'm starting to get them in the BM group. Also, got shrimp that are orange, almost clear, yellow. It's a crazy group. I'm beginning to feel there may have been an additive in the food they feed the shrimps. Some hocus pocus stuff before importing out to get them to turn intense red. It may cover a couple of generations, but once the additive dilutes out well start seeing more and more true colors or flaws in the group.

??? Rili shrimps, really... that's the furthest away you can be in terms of red from BMs.

Interesting topic popped up on another forum over the matter of color enhancing agents in shrimp foods causing color changing reactions. I'm not expert but from a consumer standpoint, it's definitely a slippery slope when manufactures are adding these ingredients to their foods. Not saying this is happening for the Bloody Mary as I don't keep Bloody Mary myself, but it makes me question such tactics. Why is it that we argue the point of "organic" or healthy food alternative for our shrimps, but turn around buy a product confirmed to do quite the opposite.

 

[sbarbee54]

This :
"This is normal with all new shrimp coming into the market, none breed true. Bloody Mary are supposed to be characterized as having short rostroms, yet a lot being exported to the us, and even bred and sold in the us have long rostroms. "

Is not true, this was a marketing tactic that one of the first creators of the stain said, that it had a short rostrom. They later balked at it when they were found sending out shrimp with out the short rostrom. a short rostrom would show as a defect in a shrimp more or less. The Distributor has now backed off this comment from everything I have read.

Bump: I have bloody marrys and I am seeing same numbers as the OP almost. Out of 50 shrimp kept 10. I am trying to see in 6-10 generations if all the good ones are kept if they will breed truer or if it is a lost cause

 

[gus6464]

I like the orange color, they look like fanta. I guess the color you want is red?

How come people don't sell culls? Myself and I am pretty sure other people don't care to breed super high quality and just want them for fun.

 

[Subtletanks91]

That's good to know s.b. I haven't read anything since about the bloody Mary's.

I stay away from new strains on the market until I know what's going on with genetics. But I also stay away from neos, there's not many problems like this with carids

 

[James He]

I don't think bloody mary is all bad, at least the male is much more red than regular fire red.

 

[sbarbee54]

I have seen people pfr be amazing, and would prefer Jimmy's old pfrs over my bm any day because they breed so untrue

 

[agro]

This :
"This is normal with all new shrimp coming into the market, none breed true. Bloody Mary are supposed to be characterized as having short rostroms, yet a lot being exported to the us, and even bred and sold in the us have long rostroms. "

Is not true, this was a marketing tactic that one of the first creators of the stain said, that it had a short rostrom. They later balked at it when they were found sending out shrimp with out the short rostrom. a short rostrom would show as a defect in a shrimp more or less. The Distributor has now backed off this comment from everything I have read.

Bump: I have bloody marrys and I am seeing same numbers as the OP almost. Out of 50 shrimp kept 10. I am trying to see in 6-10 generations if all the good ones are kept if they will breed truer or if it is a lost cause

Having to disagree here, most mine have short rostrum and a different body figure, doing fine and breeding well, I'm seeing some bad colored ones but few young showing good redness like 1 week into birth.

 

[James He]

I noticed that there are different grade of bloody mary on the market.

the seller told me that his bloody mary is about 80% breed true. he sells high grade bloody mary only.

High grade bloody mary has deep red color.

but regular bloody mary has brown patch on the body, or not that deep red.

 

[agro]

I noticed that there are different grade of bloody mary on the market.

the seller told me that his bloody mary is about 80% breed true. he sells high grade bloody mary only.

High grade bloody mary has deep red color.

but regular bloody mary has brown patch on the body, or not that deep red.

Brown patch? I have some darker bloody marys, which makes them look fantastic compared to the other reds, unsure if that's what you mean. I have heard of some people's BM turning darker and eventually looking more black/rusty than red. Didn't see pictures but they said maroon colored.

 

[sbarbee54]

Having to disagree here, most mine have short rostrum and a different body figure, doing fine and breeding well, I'm seeing some bad colored ones but few young showing good redness like 1 week into birth.

Look it up c sky is the ones that started the whole marketing ploy with short Rostrom. You kind find it on facebook about breeders complaining about it and all over German forums and Japanese.

I bought high grade ones and I am on my first set off off spring old enough they gave birth and still maybe a high off 20% blood Mary and the rest suck. I paid 20$ a shrimp for mine.

 

[agro]

Look it up c sky is the ones that started the whole marketing ploy with short Rostrom. You kind find it on facebook about breeders complaining about it and all over German forums and Japanese.

I bought high grade ones and I am on my first set off off spring old enough they gave birth and still maybe a high off 20% blood Mary and the rest suck. I paid 20$ a shrimp for mine.

Got mines from a reputable seller here, 8/ea, but that was recently. Indeed short rostrum, I need to wait for my shrimplings to grow out more before I comment on their appearance.

 

[lemonnoodle]

my fire reds look exactly like your bottom red one. I should start selling them as BM

 

[agro]

Wait, that last picture, yellow/orange eggs visible through shell? It's suppose to be like that for bm? I usually can't see it like that, only notice if berried if they're sitting there fanning or notice a shrimp has gained weight.