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Here is a picture right before the re-start of my 90 gallon. Unfortunately a lot of the pics at the start of the thread had a white balance set for cloudy, so some of pics are too warm/yellow. But you'll get the idea...



Here is the tank after the draining is almost complete. There is a lot of Aqua Soil which I have saved, but I'm not sure if I'll use it. Maybe??



Next I scrubbed, then bleached the tank. I ran a sterilizing solution of bleach for a day. Then I filled and rinsed it about four times - with a lot of prime and water for a couple of days. Of course, first I had moved fish and about 12 Amano shrimp and some plants into a trash can for five days with a filter running. Last, I added a thin layer of peat moss, then about 9-10 bags of well rinsed flourite. I have some left over from 11 bags. I borrowed media for the filter from another of my established tank's filter, as well as some mulm.

Within two days after the final refilling, I had all the inhabitants back in the tank, except for a trio of Hill Stream loaches, 13 Amano shrimp, and a few Otos. Not enough algae for them to eat yet... One cool thing is I found a few fish alive when clearing the tank that I hadn't spotted for over a year - two of three Kuhulii loaches. And they were fat.

Its starting to stabilize now. I am thinking of moving the Manzanita out to my 65 gallon, once I find some rocks. I have some more fissidens and some crypts and a few other plants on the way. But I like seeing Cyperus helferi on both corners of a tank.

I didn't move the Manzanita yet. I'm waiting to stabilizing this tank and have a lot of fast growers in there for the time being. Fish are fine and got very excited with the new spread.
Some of the Crypt wendtii green x-tall melted, but are already throwing up new leaves. I didn't bleach dip them nor the Cyperus helferi, which came from my 65 gallon. I have some red algae rearing its head, but I'm going to take it real easy on ferts for a while and hope it goes away with enough stems in there.

I definately killed a Blyxa aubertii and all my L. aromatica with a bleach dip. And my Hygrophila sp. "Pantanal Wavy" and Hygrophila balsalmica did not like 30 seconds in a 1:20 ratio of bleach/water dip. But both survived, barely.

Not much different, here is a full shot of the re-start 90 gallon which has been up for a little over a week...



And here is a little closer view. You can notice the wood got quite a bleaching. The piece on the right was barely bleached a month before to kill some clado it had on it (from my 65 gallon) so that is why its darker. The main root burl is starting to darken and get a bit of green algae on it.

I have some shots of the empty tank with bleach solution I'll add later. They are on a computer at my office.

 

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Looks good. I love rainbows. Got bit by the bug after my first three praecox...I've had them for over 2 1/2 yrs. Then got three Irian Red. Lost my big gorgeous male a couple mo ago when I started press. CO2...still not sure what happened. Lost him and the big Emerald Rainbow within a week. Your's are beautiful! Can't wait to move to a new house and save up for a 90 to 120g to really get into them and some others. Hope to see more pics as the tank progresses.
 

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Thanks folks. Its got a long ways to go. I'm going to build up both sides with more substrate, once things settle down in a month or so. It actually looks a lot better with 1/2 the lights on. I shot it fast this afternoon with all four T5s running.

PS... I'm really excited. I found a nice new male Apistogramma cactoides triple red male for my three girls in there. He is young, but healthy! He's going to need to be. LOL Only $15.
 

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Looks like you are off to a great start. I love the drift wood and also the rainbows.
 

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Looks great Bob. That Flourite must have gotten a very good rinse! I see the AWC's in place. ;) I'm assuming CO2 via reactor? How about Excel? Have you decided how you are going to dose the tank with ferts yet (do you have target levels you're shooting for)? And did you restart it with a full, or a modified photoperiod?
 

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Thanks Joe, Earnie, Wingsdlc, brother Ian, Iroc, and Sergio!

I do plan on putting the Manzanita root burl in my 65 eventually. But I want to go rock hunting later this summer in the mountains and see what shakes. Then hopefully things will be quite a bit different. And my Crinum calemestratum is having babies now, so I don't want to trade that till I can keep some offspring. That plant is huge and has to be moved to allow for the Manzanita in my 65 gallon.

Sergio, I am going with a traditional reactor through the low outflow around 40-60 ppm. I haven't used Excel yet, but might. I started around 8.5 hours with 2x54watt and about 3 hours midday with all four with the Tek about 10 inches off the waterline.

I was dosing automated EI at about 3/4 of full dose... with Wasserpest method using a AS 606 powerhead for a minute each night for K, NO3, trace and manually dosing PO4 (when I remember). But I shut it down when some algae started popping up fast. Too much too soon and things look better already. Plus I added 12 big Amanos a couple days ago. Plants are growing well now, but they have a ways to go. And its a fairly heavy fish load, so I'm going to go maybe ~ 1/3 to 1/2 half dose EI when I start it up again in a few days. Just watching the plants for now.

I am also contemplating using bigger water changes (1/3 of water volume) a couple of times a week. Auto, with a time out for the heaters to keep up.

Typical Targets are around 10ppm NO3 and 1-2 PO4 and just enough trace to keep the plants green and keep this red algae at bay.
 

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Hey Sergio. Its a mixed verdict. Plants are growing very well and fast, but I still have a bit of a red algae. Boatloads of pearling, so I must be close. I recently setup the auto water change to once a week, and have the fill staggered over 4 hours to give the heaters time to keep up. And I'm dosing EI manually for a while to keep things under more control. I think it may be an excess of trace/iron which triggers this red algae. I just started this water change setup a few days ago and gave 15ml of TMG, which is probably way too much. I might skip a dose and then try 4-5 mls and see if the red algae diminishes. It really came on strong after that dosage of TMG...

It wipes off pretty easy, but can set in fast. I'll try to post a pic soon. It affects some plants more rapidly than others. The Stargrass and Elantine tiandra are staying fairly clear of it and are four times the previous size... I'm pretty sure I can beat it, once I zero in on the dosing.

Oh yeah, I also tied a bunch of Fisidens fontanus to the Manzanita burl and added some Crypt. wendtii "Green Geko"

Milkdud, thanks. The grass like plant is Cyperus helferi.
 

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Now I am thinking this may just be a diatom outbreak, instead of a red algae. Sort of a "duh" moment... Its been a long while since I started a tank from near scratch and of course I never really got a good diatom burst in here. So I better start re catching the Otos from my 65 gallon. It wipes off slimy like soft brown diatoms do. I certainly hope its just the standard diatom outbreak.
 

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OK, Its been about a month since I re-started the tank and a bit over three weeks since the first picture . No scape here, just growing some plants for now. I think by adding 9 Otos and a little time, this diatom algae bloom is diminishing.:thumbsup: Here are a couple quick shots.

Lots of plant growths. I have had to trim some stems pretty hard like the Stargrass and the Largarosiphon madegascarensis on the right since they are growing so fast. It needs another trim already. I am dosing EI with a Wasserpest type auto setup using a Aquarium Systems 606 pump and cereal container to hold three weeks worth of ferts. The only fert I am adding manually is PO4 at present.

I also had to cut the Cyperus helferi back hard with diatoms on it, prior to adding the Otocinclus. But those little guys are keeping it clean now. The Cyperus seems to be their favorite. For a while the diatoms were getting really bad, but its quickly improving now.



And my new $15 triple red! He has three ladies to hang with.


A closer look at midtank with the Rainbows and Black Neons... My two medium sized Clown loaches and Corys love to hang under the root burl. I also added some nice narrow leaf java and a few Crypt wendtii sp. "Green Geko" from Greenisgood. Thanks Donna! And a few other odds and ends. Just trying to get the tank to balance. I think its almost there. That's pearling on the fissidens and moss on the Manzanita centerpiece.


The substrate before washing...


Washing method and storing method while I waited out the bleach prior to restart. I suppose I have this journal backwards...LOL




And to steal a pic from another thread - my new baby Boesemani fry (I think??). Really tiny and way over sharpened pic to show its finnage. It sure looks like Rainbowfish to me. Maybe three weeks old and 3/8 inch long. And it hatched by accident in my Cherry Shrimp tank. It swims very fast too and loves the current from an XP2 - (the current is bounced off the back glass)

 

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Great job, Bob. So you went back to flourite I see. Makes me apprehensive to start up the AS. The H balsamica will survive a bleach dip usually by shooting new green shoots off of the main stem. Just keep pruning. Also, congrats on your fry...it def looks like a rainbow :)
 

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Thanks Geoff and Lynn. Also, I forgot to add a new picture I took of my 65 gallon last night. This is primarily a growout tank. The Crinum calemestratum has taken off. The little red is where I cut a flower off in the middle. Its having baby Crinums so it must be kind of happy. I'll probably trade it, but I'm enjoying it for now. But its spindle leaves sure makes catching fish a pain.

 
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