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Asian set up

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Tank size: 125g [6' long]

subtrate: Eco with a few areas of sand

tank placement: The tank will have one of the smaller sides against the wall with the other 3 sides viewable. This way you can look in both the 6' sides.

Lighting: Im still figuring out my lighting options. Im thinking if I build my own I will have one side so its a little less light to get a more shaded area.

plants: Crypts, onion plants, java ferns [ill look up other plants and update once I figure out lighting.]

Fish:
6 pearl gourami [2m,4f]
3 Banded Gourami [1m,2f]
15 oto cats
50 Pork chop rasbora
20 checkered barbs [7m,13f]
20 cherry barbs [7m,13f]
10 glass catfish
kuhli loaches
20 Sid loaches

Q's:
1/ Is that too many fish or could I add more?
2/ What would be a good subtrate for a Asian set-up?
3/ Are there any other Asian fish that stay UNDER 5" you can think of that might look nice in this set up?
4/ How are the male/female ratios, and the numbers on the fish species?
5/ How does it sound over all, and id there anything I should change?
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Leopard ctenopoma a.k.a. spotted climbing perch a.k.a.african leaf fish
I think it maybe too many Sid loaches. Perhaps twelve. Really great loach!

Also, personally, the checkered barbs are so very similar in size, shape and behavior to the cherry barbs that I'd only do the cherries.

What about Glass Catfish? Kryptopterus minor:
http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/621.htm
Cool and unusual fish. They also really stick together.
No comment, other than hurry up and do it so I can see pics!!!
I think it maybe too many Sid loaches. Perhaps twelve. Really great loach!
I've got 28 in my 75.. so fun to watch.
I've got 28 in my 75.. so fun to watch.
WOW! :eek: 28!

And I was wondering if I over-did-it by putting 15 rummynose tetra in my 75.

The sid loached are fun to watch; however, sometimes I find them to be a bit too hyper. I've got six in my 75. Are you breeding them? Do you have many other fish in the same tank with them?
the munkis, 7 praecox, and a couple otos

I'm usually an understocker but I really wanted a lively tank this go-around.
No not breeding them. Sidthimunki breeding is still a mystery and I think it's only accomplished with hormone injections. A bit harsh for the fish, but being they are nearly extinct in the wild...
If you are really baller, I think roselines are really pretty.
Oh another fish I noticed around here was:

Odessa barb
http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/barbs/odessabarb.php

How many could I add?

They look like something I might add. It seems my tank is going to be a asian barb tank :). I stay away from barbs but then found they are not all aggressive like the tiger barb.

How about the rosey barb or gold babr are they aggressive? We have them here as well.
My Rosy's are not aggressive, but I have seen them munching on a dead fish. So the possibility is there. Mine are large adults, btw, and I have never seen them bother anybody. I even made a post before about my big male being in his own little world..he just swims back and forth, back and forth..They are very pretty, too. Looks to me like that Odessa has more colors on it, though.
Well, I'm going to bring up the same point, so please forgive me!

However I have .....well, I don 't really want to admit in public. Let's just say I need two hands to count the number of display tanks I have :icon_redf ! (I also have a couple more tanks set up for breeding.) Anyway, in the process of stocking these tanks I've been left dissatisfied and unhappy with my selections on more than one occasion. It's very frustrating. Even more so because, in a heavily planted tank it's next to impossible to remove a shoal of small and fast fish afterwards. You pretty much have to remove the aquascape. Which, I've done.....more than once. I had to uproot all my plants from my 75g to remove 9 Diamond tetras when I found they were chewing the tails on my Lake Tebera Rainbowfish. :mad:

Anyway, when selecting fish I like to consider three points. One, choose fish that play different roles: ie., schooling specie, fish with lots of personality that notice me when I aproach the tank like cichlids. Stars of the show...my favorite in the tank, probably the reason I was willing to commit to another tank. Ie., my Congo tetra tank, my Lake Tebera Rainbowfish...and I love my Emperor tetras.

Two, I try to find fish which spread around the different areas of the tank. Not too many of them competing for the same dwelling space. Top dwellers, mid-water and then the bottom dwellers. Of course in a large tank you could house two different groups for the same areas.

Then third, I like to vary the sizes, body shape and colors across these groups. One group of larger fish....I don't need to put on my glasses and I can see somethings in the tank from across the room. Medium size. Than some that stay small too. I don't want most all of the fish in a community tank to end up being two inches. Some 4", one group 3", something in the 2" category .... and maybe something small. I also don't want all the fish to have the same body types....ie., torpedo shaped, or round and oval shaped.

Same point: Odessa barbs is a lot like Cherry barbs. What about Red Line Torpedo Barbs:
http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/416.htm

Or my all-time favorite rasbora, which are in the barb family, but which would inhabit a different area of the tank - Lambchop Rasbora:
http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/425.htm
Also a first rate schooling fish, right up there with the Rummy nose tetras for staying together!
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Since I don't see any plans for shrimp, rainbows are great looking fish with a unique body shape. They will school and have lots of personality.
Rasetsu- I thought Rainbows were from Australia

Rod Hay- I thought about the Torpedo Barbs but we just do get them around here and the one time we did they were expensive. I also don't like how big they get to have them as a schooling fish. My tanks not going to have a huge amount of current so im also worried about that..
****But I was thinking about maybe adding either 1 rainbow or red tail shark.

- I have 50 of the Lambchop Rasboras on the list. My pet shop just called them pork chops instead.



This is what I figured as to where the fish swim.
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6 Pearl Gourmi: http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/anabantids1/a/pearlgourami.htm
4 Banded Gourmai: http://www.fishdeals.com/anabantids/gourami/banded_gourami/

Mid-
50 Rasbora espei [porkchop] (Schools): http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_Trigonostigma_espei.php
20 Checkered Barbs (schools) [mid-bottom]: http://www.centralpets.com/animals/fish/freshwater_fish/fwf4654.html
10 glass catfish (schools): http://www.brooklands.co.nz/tropical/glasscat.htm

bottom-
Kuhli loach: http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pangio-kuhlii
20 Sid loach (schools): http://www.loaches.com/species-index/yasuhikotakia-sidthimunki

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10 oto Cats: http://freshaquarium.about.com/cs/catfish1/p/otocinclus.htm
20 cherry barbs: http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/cherbarb.htm
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My first reaction was "duh, you're right! forgot you are doing an Asian tank", but I researched a little more and to my suprise, Boesemani rainbows are from Thailand and Praecox (Dwarf) rainbows are from Malaysia in addition to Australia. Not sure what that means though.

In my tank, my Rasbora esp. school at the top of the tank and behind the light and don't really come out unless it's feeding time.
In my tank, my Rasbora esp. school at the top of the tank and behind the light and don't really come out unless it's feeding time.
I currently have 12 Rasbora espei. i don't find that my school all that much but Im hoping they will when I get more and other bigger more active schooling fish. I do how ever have kribs and pearl gouramis in there. I fine mine to be more in the upper middle region, and semi-active.
My first reaction was "duh, you're right! forgot you are doing an Asian tank", but I researched a little more and to my suprise, Boesemani rainbows are from Thailand and Praecox (Dwarf) rainbows are from Malaysia in addition to Australia. Not sure what that means though.
Some rainbows are from Australia, some are from New Guinea, and then there are the Madagascar rainbows. Bosemanis and Praecox are both native to New Guinea (but not Australia), so it depends on how loose you are with your definition of "Asian". Part of the island of New Guinea is now a part of Indonesia. In any case, there are no rainbows native to either Thailand or Malaysia. Those are however, the places where the fish farms are that breed most of the stock that is sold around the world.
tigers can be aggressive.

I have rasbora hengeli. They're great top level schoolers.
Yeah Tiger barbs are the reason I always stayed away from barbs. But now I know not all are aggressive.

But I was thinking about maybe adding either 1 rainbow or red tail shark.

- I have 50 of the Lambchop Rasboras on the list. My pet shop just called them pork chops instead.



This is what I figured as to where the fish swim.
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6 Pearl Gourmi
4 Banded Gourmai

Mid-
50 Rasbora espei [porkchop] (Schools)
15 Checkered Barbs (schools) [mid-bottom]
10 glass catfish (schools)

bottom-
Kuhli loach
20 Sid loach (schools)

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10 oto Cats
15 cherry barbs


Rasbora hengeli are basically the same as the 50 Rasbora espei [porkchop] I already have on the list.

I was thinking of adding some Rummy nosed tetras. But I always have heard bad things about them dying? If I added some how many could/should I add?
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I was thinking of adding some Rummy nosed tetras. But I always have heard bad things about them dying? If I added some how many could/should I add?
Rummy-nose tetras are one of the most difficult fish to transport. I would advise the use of paper bags to wrap up the plastic bag or you can use styrofoam box. Please tell your shop to wrap the corners of the bag with tape or rubber bands. These tetras tend to trap themselves there to death.

Buy 10 as the minimum and make sure the bag is sufficiently spacious. On the contrary, this will not guarantee your tank being purely Asian at all.
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