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I was gonna go with ada, but my local fish store just got some fluval shrimp stratum. I was wondering if anyone can shine some light on ada aqua soil vs fluval shrimp stratum; which is better for HQ shrimp (crs,oebt,etc..?)

Please be specific which ADA aqua soil you used(new amazonia, malaya, etc..)? What's beneficial/wrong with it or if you can do it again, would you go with something completely different. thks, this will help me save a few buck and narrow down my decision.
 

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For CRS ADA. Best quality in general. Hold PH longer.PH will be 5.5-6.2
For tigers I'll pick Azoo Plant Grower Bed Substrate It will keep PH in 6.5.looks very nice
They have black and brown. For blue tiger I'm using brown substrate. For Red and TT –black.
FSS is the last in my list. I'm sorry but they have to fix their quality control first.
 

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I was gonna go with ada, but my local fish store just got some fluval shrimp stratum. I was wondering if anyone can shine some light on ada aqua soil vs fluval shrimp stratum; which is better for HQ shrimp (crs,oebt,etc..?)

Please be specific which ADA aqua soil you used(new amazonia, malaya, etc..)? What's beneficial/wrong with it or if you can do it again, would you go with something completely different. thks, this will help me save a few buck and narrow down my decision.
I prefer ADA New Amazonia. I tried Fluval Shrimp Stratum in a tank right next to an Amazonia tank with similar water parameters, and I had poor survival of babies in the FSS tank relative to the Amazonia tank. I have stuck with Amazonia since them. I know some people have had success with FSS, but that was not my experience. I can say that all of the breeders I know with high grade CRS or Taiwan Bees use Amazonia.
 

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For CRS ADA. Best quality in general. Hold PH longer.PH will be 5.5-6.2
For tigers I'll pick Azoo Plant Grower Bed Substrate It will keep PH in 6.5.looks very nice
They have black and brown. For blue tiger I'm using brown substrate. For Red and TT –black.
FSS is the last in my list. I'm sorry but they have to fix their quality control first.
Does the Azoo soil leach any Ammonia?
 

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You know that baby survival as more to do with supplementing the tank with enzymes, bacteria, aeration and not solely reliant on the substrate alone... Aquasoil has one up over FSS for shrimp in that its full of nutrients whereas FSS is just an medium grade cec equivalent substrate devout of anything beneficial for plants or shrimp. One of the good things about FSS is that you can use it almost immediately to setup a shrimp tank as it does not leech ammonia as As would. but that's about it...

for cost and sake of time, i would use FSS.

If i had time and cost were no object, i'd get AS and wait a full 8-10 weeks for a proper cycle after adding Penac P, Penac W, Clear water, Tourmaline BC, and bacter 100...

that's likely $30 bucks versus $250 ;)
 

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You know that baby survival as more to do with supplementing the tank with enzymes, and not solely reliant on the substrate alone...
You mean supplementing with micro-organism powder food, like Ebibacter?

Sure, but, as I said in the above post, I treated each tank the same. I had higher survival in the Amazonia tank, and the only difference in the treatment was the substrate.
 

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um there's a whole lot more to increasing baby survival rate than simply dashing ebi bacter in a tank...

If it were that straight forward, it would be raining CRS' and they would be worth $1 each these days...
 

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um there's a whole lot more to increasing baby survival rate than simply dashing ebi bacter in a tank...

If it were that straight forward, it would be raining CRS' and they would be worth $1 each these days...
Really? Umm.....

It's funny then that I have 100s, and 100s, of CRS, CBS, and Taiwan babies and adults, and all I do is feed a balanced diet, including pollem foods with various microrganism powders. EBI, Shirakuri, Borneo Wild, etc...

Unless those aforementioned powder foods contain enzymes, I haven't added any enzyme supplements to any of my tanks, and I have fantastic survival rates.

Again, what I said in my first post is that I treated two tanks the same, and the only difference was the type of substrate I used.

By the way, if everyone used enzyme supplements in their shrimp-keeping, it would not be "raining CRS."
 

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Bear in mind, this thread is more for the OP and less about our own personal successes...
 

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Bear in mind, this thread is more for the OP and less about our own personal successes...
Of course. Let's get back to what you posted.

You know that baby survival as more to do with supplementing the tank with enzymes, and not solely reliant on the substrate alone...
You are suggesting here that dosing enzymes is more important than the choice of substrate.

Now, I can tell you from my (successful) experience that this claim is far-fetched, to say the least.
 

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FWIW, I am using Fluval Shrimp Stratum in my 3 gal. cherry shrimp tank. That tank is producing at least 500 shrimp every 3 or 4 months.

I used to keep cherries and tigers in a larger tank with EcoComplete. That tank was producing at least a thousand of each over the course of a year.

As far as food goes, they are fed a mix of flake, pellet, and fresh (peas, zucchini, cuke, lettuce...)

Hope that helps.

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Fluval Shrimp Startum is all over the board when it comes to buffering capability. The stuff I purchased buffered to 7.2~7.4ph. Too high for CRS, but fine for cherries. I've seen others report buffering to 6.5 with it. Just depends on the batch you get I guess.

For CRS and Taiwan Bee's, use AquaSoil. It buffers a long time, and is consistent. But if cherry shrimp, Fluval is fine.
 

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Well OP doesn't mention price, then I would go for Fluval stratum. It really come down where you get your shrimp from. My CRS breeds in amtank with Eco-complete 7.0 ph with no problem. Babies are surviving as well. Remember animal has the ability to adapt to their environment, that's where people missed the most. Remember when Taiwan bees need low ph to breed? Now they do fine in 6.4ph.
 

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Well OP doesn't mention price, then I would go for Fluval stratum. It really come down where you get your shrimp from. My CRS breeds in amtank with Eco-complete 7.0 ph with no problem. Babies are surviving as well. Remember animal has the ability to adapt to their environment, that's where people missed the most. Remember when Taiwan bees need low ph to breed? Now they do fine in 6.4ph.
I'm doing SSS in fluorite, RO water, no buffering, 7.0pH too and the babies are rocking out. Is that way for everyone? No. Can it be done. Sure.
 
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