I met the guy from The Cichlid Garden at The Big Fish Deal last month. He had some beautiful fish. Some of those I've never seen so colorful. Really cool dude and he loves his Apistos. Definitely worth contacting.Never heard of the one mentioned above; but I've had good luck buying apistos from Ted Judy Ted's Fishroom; and also from a youtuber who goes by pauls planted aquariums. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPxwZiaS5vr7S7AM1TpiB0w There was also a member on this site who ran the cichlid garden The Cichlid Garden. Always looked interesting but he never had what I was looking for when I was looking for it!