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im totally new to this plant stuff .my tank has been up for about 7 months just made it through BGA



i just added
java ferns
hydros
penny wort
cabomba
these plants have suffered there first few months and are coming back now that i found this site
sprites
swords and
the seriously sad excuse for annacharis

i could use any help figuring out how to place them or any other plant suggestions

here is the link to my photos

http://s945.photobucket.com/albums/ad291/HungrySpleen/
 

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I am not sure if I'm qualified to give any advice, so take it for what its worth.

1) Move the Hydro to the back (left side).
2) Move the Penny wort near the other tall stems (left side).
3) Try to move the filter tube and heater to the left side, behind the plants.

My overall idea, is that with the plants you have, you will get more bang for your buck by grouping the taller plants on the left and letting the swords cover the ground on the right.

As the taller stems grow, you can trim them and replant them. Once you have filled in the left side, you could start to put a small bunch in the right rear corner.

Anyway, that's the best that I got. Maybe someone with more experience can offer something more useful.

Good luck,
 

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I am not sure if I'm qualified to give any advice, so take it for what its worth.

1) Move the Hydro to the back (left side).
2) Move the Penny wort near the other tall stems (left side).
3) Try to move the filter tube and heater to the left side, behind the plants.

My overall idea, is that with the plants you have, you will get more bang for your buck by grouping the taller plants on the left and letting the swords cover the ground on the right.

As the taller stems grow, you can trim them and replant them. Once you have filled in the left side, you could start to put a small bunch in the right rear corner.

Anyway, that's the best that I got. Maybe someone with more experience can offer something more useful.

Good luck,
I would also move the motorcycles to the left of the aquarium. I second the above comment.
 

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new pics

well i feel like i really blow at this aquascaping thing but tell me if this is at least a little better than before.

any suggestions please tell me i need help!!!





 

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Just so you know you can scroll over those pics in photobucket. A list of tags will come down and you copy the one that says IMG code. Then paste it in your post and the picture will show up here in your post. Rather than giving a link all the time. Makes it a bit more easier for the viewer and you can show the specific pictures you want us to look at.

anyways, I think the plants are just to small right now to tell. Once they start to grow and fill in, it will be easier to arrange them in the tank. I also think you could use a piece of wood on the right side of the tank. But it doesn't look bad at all, all new tanks look a little janky. Give it a month or so and wait for the plants to grow in a bit then do a rescape if it needs it.

This hobby takes some patients.
Here is an example of my tank on start up. Notice how janky and ugly it is.


Here it is now...2 months later. Looks more full and colorful.


Just give it some time and you will learn more about the tank. How the plants grow and react etc. Let it do its thing and don't think about it so much lol. You don't "blow" at it. That tank is my first attempt to. You will learn fast if you keep reading here. Great forum to learn on.
 

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anyways, I think the plants are just to small right now to tell. Once they start to grow and fill in, it will be easier to arrange them in the tank.
This is correct. You don't really have enough plants that are big enough, yet, to really do much. For it too look very good, you'll need to either get more plants, or simply let these plants grow for a while.

It will shape up over time. One thing you need (or must learn) with planted tanks, is patience.

I don't have it, so I'm trying to learn it......
 

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i guess im gonna hurry up and start waiting then i guess

ill post some new pics in a month or so
 

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right now im dosing with seachem stuff
using
excel co2
potassium
trace
nitrogen

you think ive got it right until i get some dry ferts
 

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I think it looks a bit sparce, but that';s because it hasn't had time to grow in. I think the hardest part of any planted tank is patience. Ifind that the more I touch things in my tank, the worse they get. At a certain point, I just have to leave it and wait.

As far as suggestions go, I would add some more rocks and/or wood. I think it's much easier to plan your plants if you have a solid hardscape.
 

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right now im dosing with seachem stuff
using
excel co2
potassium
trace
nitrogen

you think ive got it right until i get some dry ferts
OK, this is an area that I'm really just learning myself. I also use the Seachem stuff, for now. I bought some Pfertz liquid fertilizers (during their Thanksgiving sale), that I will use when the Seachem stuff runs out. Eventually, I suppose I'll also switch to dry ferts.

Having said that - I have heard, that using plain "Flourish" is probably more important than using the "Trace" stuff. The full Seachem regime would include: Excel, Iron, Flourish, Phosphorus, Nitrogen, Potassium, and Trace.

I know that there is some Iron in plain "Flourish," so I'm not sure if you MUST dose that separately. Also, I've seen a number of folks suggest that Trace is usually not necessary.

Your current regime seems to be missing both Iron and Phosphorus. However, I've heard that plants can get Phosphates from fish food - so you might be ok there.

If your plants are growing and looking healthy, then I think you have the right regime. If not, I would look at adding some Phosphates and/or Iron.

AGAIN - If someone smarter than me chimes in, you should probably listen to them - as, I'm still trying to figure this out myself.

Also - search for threads talking about Flourish or Liquid Ferts, I found this one that might be helpful:

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/88089-question-about-adding-liquid-ferts.html
 

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thanks for the info

i am using Flourish Comprehensive i understand this to be trace elements

also i have some flourite in my gravel so i believe i am OK for now with the iron part , aka only a few plants

myself, much like you, plan on going to dry ferts , im just waiting on the package to arrive and my seachem to run out

thanks again for the help im very new to this as well
 

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OK, sounds like you are good. Flourish does sell something else, other than Flourish (Comprehensive) which they call Flourish Trace. Flourish (Comprehensive) covers the Micro nutrients, but not the trace nutrients. I've heard some folks suggest, that most of the trace nutrients are available in tap water, so they don't worry about it.

Do I sound like I know what I'm talking about? If so that good, because I'm still figuring this out as I go along.

Good luck.
 

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I use the whole entire line of flourish ferts 3x a week and have root tabs scattered throughout the bottom. 5ml trace, 2ml comprehensive, 2ml iron, 2.5ml phosphorus, 1.25ml nitrogen, 4ml potassium, 2ml excel (10ml excel on WC day). At start up I did this schedule once a week. As they grow you will start to notice deficiencies, that is when I would start adding more(2x a week). I think my tank is good at 3x week as of now. The plants are growing out of the tank and I have no more algae issue after adding a tad bit more phosphorus. Not to mention the colors look healthy and the tenellus is throwing out plantlets like crazy, and stems need a trim once a week. Keep in mind I do a 50-60% WC weekly. Depending on what plants you have, you will want to add more iron. However, I have my dry ferts on order(N,P,K gh booster), but I will still be using the Flourish liquids for trace and Iron. I'm starting up another 20 gallon, so it was time for the wallet friendly ferts. I also use DIY co2 on this particular setup.
 

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hey nismo what is the tanksize with diy co2? and how well would you say its working.

ive been dosing 3/4 cap excel every day and nitrate ,potassium , and comprehensive twice a week for 2 weeks now ,finally after 7 months things are growing like they should for the first time
 

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Discussion Starter · #18 · (Edited)
new pics of tank

old pic is first
dec2





dec26


sorry tanks dirty as heck but sunday is cleaning day and i wanted an some scaping ideas for then
any tips for moving stuff around now?
i need a few ideas to rescape now
the plants are
2 swords in back of driftwood and 1 in front
1baby tears
2 java ferns
pennywort in back cant see it
bunch of chain swords
3 water sprites
mycophylium of some kind
1 bunch of cabomba
3 hygros that arent doing anything cept looking bad
anacharis as wel not growing really
1 red tiger lotus
1 undulata with baby plant attached
1 dwarf hairgrass
1 tiny piece of hornwort

2 tiny unknown plants
 

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If you have not yet seen this article, check it out. Its very useful.

http://freshaquarium.about.com/library/weekly/aa122203a.htm

Point #4 gives three basic design shapes for your tank. Right now, you don't have any of the three. Especially if you are a beginner, I recommend trying to get your plants into one of the mentioned shapes. Given the positioning of your driftwood, I'm thinking that your tank would lend itself to the concave layout - but, you need to pick what you think will work best.

Hope this helps.

By the way, congrats on the progress. Your tank is filling out nicely. Just need patience.
 

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If you have not yet seen this article, check it out. Its very useful.

http://freshaquarium.about.com/library/weekly/aa122203a.htm

Point #4 gives three basic design shapes for your tank. Right now, you don't have any of the three. Especially if you are a beginner, I recommend trying to get your plants into one of the mentioned shapes. Given the positioning of your driftwood, I'm thinking that your tank would lend itself to the concave layout - but, you need to pick what you think will work best.

Hope this helps.

By the way, congrats on the progress. Your tank is filling out nicely. Just need patience.
thanks for the link

honestly i just kinda stuck the stuff in there and hoped itd look good.
 
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