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Quick info,

Here's is just a demo of my future shrimps rack plan. Hope I would learn many things from this tank. Please note that this is my first attempt keeping these little guys, so if you see whatever I'm doing wrong, please let me know. Thanks first.

Here's the plan: I put this tank in my bedroom, so I want something that looks ok but not a planted tank because this is for shrimps.

Day 1


Water parameters: Air pump is on 24/24.
-pH: 6.3 (after 12h running air pump)
-gH: 0
-kH: 0
-TDS: 55
-Temp: 20-22
-NO3: waiting for test kit.
-Lighting: 10-12h
-Co2: running solenoid a little more than 1bps with light

Equipments: here's my first tank and everything I'm using is based on people that have great shrimps tank setup from all over the world.
- Tank: Mr Aqua 33g rimless tank.
- Filter: Eheim 2217 and UGF run by air pump, quite not sure about bio sponge filter, looks ugly to me.
- Substrate: around 14l ADA new Amazonia over 1 layer of small red java rock.
- Substrate additive: ADA bacter 100, ADA clear super, Mosura Old Sea Mud Powder, Mosura BT-9.
- Lighting system: DIY 12x3w cree xp-g cool white and 4 cree blue moon light.
- CO2: around more than 1 bps, I know crystal shrimps don't like CO2, I use this to let my moss, ferns grow as fast as possible before I'm done with cycle. After that, I will lower the CO2 amount less than enough for the plants.

Plants: fissident, java ferns, peacock moss, moss ball, needle java fern, some rare crypt and some Buces. Those plants don't require much care but they are still nice and are perfectly for shrimps setup.
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I wanted a 30x17x14 tank but don't wanna pay extra money to custom built it, so I decided to go with Mr Aqua 24x17x17 33g tank

The good thing is I'm living 3 blocks from Marine Depot, so I don't have to pay or waiting for shipping. the bad new is the tank I want is out of stock, and I have to wait for 2 more weeks.

Got the Eheim 2217 from MD too.

I ordered 2 9l new ADA bags with some ADA bacter 100, clear super and also 2 bottles of bacter ball and some ADA bee shrimp food. Crystal shrimp like to EAT ADA aquasoil and bacter ball, so I bought 2 of them.
I know many peoples will think I'm crazy on spending money buying them but I just do what I've heard from other high grade shrimp breeders and I just wanna give my shrimp the best playground. BTW, I can use those for my future setup also.

Here's the tank with UGF I got from 3bay

That's it for now, still waiting for my shrimp foods and water conditioners and other stuff.
 

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That's an interesting UGF filter. I guess the only thing that comes to mind is to utilize the height well since shrimp normally only stay near the bottom of the tank. Maybe with either tall driftwood or some moss walls.
 

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very nice, you should post a journal about this tank in the tank journal section of the forums.
 

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That's an interesting UGF filter. I guess the only thing that comes to mind is to utilize the height well since shrimp normally only stay near the bottom of the tank. Maybe with either tall driftwood or some moss walls.
The UGF I'm using is just a regular one. I prefer this type than the pipe one.
I really want a 30x16-17x14 size, the 20l is quite small for my DW that I already ordered.
very nice, you should post a journal about this tank in the tank journal section of the forums.
I think it's better to post it here because shrimp tank quite less updated, and I think I can get more opinions from other shrimper here.
wow. nice investment... you better have some SS+ grade tankmates in there ...
Yeee...eaaap. I'll start with some SS grade and go up later.

Quick update: substrate and additive
I'm not sure about using lava rock. I can use more ADA instead of lava. Some people says it will raise pH but many guys here have been using them with great result. So, lets give it a try. Another reason I wanna use lava rock is first, they are good house for bacteria. Moreover, I'm gonna tie moss, scape tank with lava rock anyway. So having a layer off it is just fine.

I cut a plastic window screen and place it on top of the lava rock to separate it with ADA because I don't want ADA gets between the lava rock, and this also raise my substrate a little more, so more flows go through my substrate---> good for shrimps.

Over it is a thin layer off ADA, just enough to cover the entire substrate before I sprinkle additive


For the additive, I'm using ADA bacter 100, ADA clear supper, Mosura old sea mud and BT-9. I wanna give my substrate plenty of good bacteria.
Look like salt, pepper, chilli powder to me
 

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Are you just running the UGF with air pump?
 

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While there might be small tweaks to the set-up that some of us would make it looks like you have all of the key ingredients in this set-up and you should be good to go.

Pretty well thought out and put together shrimp tank. :)
 

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Are you just running the UGF with air pump?
Yes, just let the air stone go all the way down, touching the UGF.
By using UGF (doesn't matter how you set it up, pipe, this type) you will turn your entire substrate into a huge biofilter. You can also connect your filter inlet to the UGF but doing this may decrease your substrate's using life. Using air pump is enough and you're good in 12-18 months depends on its thickness. As long as it can keep low pH, it's still ok to be used.
While there might be small tweaks to the set-up that some of us would make it looks like you have all of the key ingredients in this set-up and you should be good to go.

Pretty well thought out and put together shrimp tank.
Thank you, sir. I'll try not to mess it up too much. The simpler, the better, less maintain, less stress and better result.

This setup is just for letting me know some basic information about crystal shrimp and help me to repair for my future shrimp rack.

Isn't there some sort of coating on window screening that isn't good for aquatic life?
I'm using the fiber glass one and I think it's ok. If there's any coat, I think it's just epoxy and I think epoxy is ok when it's dry. There's a thread discussing about this I they said it's ok.
 

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Having screwed around a bit with shrimp tanks I keep becoming more and more convinced of the value of just doing it right to begin with. Get the proper substrate and filtration options and don't screw around.

There are all sorts of ways to have success keeping bee shrimp but if you have the ability to do a high quality (and stable) set-up then it seems to pay for itself via shrimp health and reproduction down the road.
 

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Having screwed around a bit with shrimp tanks I keep becoming more and more convinced of the value of just doing it right to begin with. Get the proper substrate and filtration options and don't screw around.

There are all sorts of ways to have success keeping bee shrimp but if you have the ability to do a high quality (and stable) set-up then it seems to pay for itself via shrimp health and reproduction down the road.
Exactly. I have been doing online searching for few months before I decide to do this.

There's many ways to keep these shrimp. One of them is choosing the right products that are proven. At least, it will give your shrimp the idea environment, the rest is your experience.
One thing I have learned is keep them alive is a thing, grow them, breed them successfully is another thing. So, I'll try my best. Failing is the beginning of your success.
 

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What is your water change plan?

With a larger tank like that and great filtration then hopefully you can do smaller water changes in order to increase stability with water parameters.
 

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So the shots of the tank with the substrate, you ended up moving the uplift tube off to the back right instead of having it dead center in the tank right? Or do you have two seperate of these tanks o_O?
 

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this is very similar to a tank i built a couple months back.
I used a more typical UGF not the individual blocks like yours, I also did a layer of lava rock, then thin layer of substrate additives before final layer of substrate.
BUT I did connect my Eheim 2215 to the UGF.

good luck!
 

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What is your water change plan?

With a larger tank like that and great filtration then hopefully you can do smaller water changes in order to increase stability with water parameters.
I'm gonna do fishless cycle during the first 2 weeks, and I think I'll let it cycle for one month.

Here's the step I'm gonna do:
-Will take around 1-2gallon water from another tank, put in the eheim 2217 some old filter to speed up cycle. I know 1-2 gallon is nothing but this is just a plants-holding tank and I use tap water in this tank, not a mature planted tank, so this 1-2g will give a little help to the cycle progress.
-I also want to take a look at the parameters, how they work, how the ADA hold pH, is there and any pH, gH, kH raising source in the tank or whatever.
-I will leave the tank like that in the first 2weeks, after that, I'll do a 15g water change. Leave it like that, if I want, during the second 2weeks (at the 3rd week), I may add some otto fishes.
-Will do the final 10-15g water change and then check all the parameters. Put in some mineral rock, dose Mosura Mineral Plus and gH up (if needed). I'll start to find shrimp during the 3rd week.

For water change, I will try to do 5g per week. Not much, but I think that's a good amount of new mineral, and other stuff.

So the shots of the tank with the substrate, you ended up moving the uplift tube off to the back right instead of having it dead center in the tank right? Or do you have two seperate of these tanks o_O?
At first, I just wanna see how this works. But after that, I realize that I may place the pipe on the right side comer, the left side Conner will be for inlet and outlet.

UGF this type (not connected to the inlet) is for long term. You start using UGF since the first day, and this is not your main filter systems. Without this is just fine, having UGF in shrimp tank is better. More flow through system to avoid dead air blocking in substrate. Using UGF, and feeding dish also help to get rid of planaria.

this is very similar to a tank i built a couple months back.
I used a more typical UGF not the individual blocks like yours, I also did a layer of lava rock, then thin layer of substrate additives before final layer of substrate.
BUT I did connect my Eheim 2215 to the UGF.

good luck!
You mean the pipe one. That one would work as same as this. It's just more expensive :D 32 plates like this, 2 pipes and air stones set was just $25 shipped.

For the substrate, I read some where there's a guy who (sorry I don't how to say this step, English is not my mother language) poured his ADA is to a basket with many small holes to keep the big soil in the basket, the powder and small soil will fall through the holes. So, layer of lava rock-big size ADA-powder and small size. The main reason for doing this is you guys know shrimp like to dig and pick stuff in the substrate, baby shrimp may got stuck between the soil gap.
 

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Switching over water will do nothing. You're better off taking a sponge or filter floss from your current tank or some bio media nad putting it in the new tank. Water contains almost no bacteria. Taking a sponge and squeezing it in with give loads.

The ADA is going to leech ammonia for anywhere from 2-6weeks, so that will provide an ammonia source for the filter but jump starting with filter media from your other filter will help.
 

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Vincent, just a forewarning....even if you used established filter, water and add bacteria...it won't matter with the New Amazonia....it'll take you a full 2-3 months to zero out the ammonia. I'm 6 weeks into a cycle and ammonia is still between .50ppm and 1.0ppm....That's with running two established canisters and two sponge filters (one established)
 

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Looks like you are planning this very well, and I have no doubt you'll have success as well as a learning process. I think your state of mind is key in learning and setting up a successful shrimp tank. Too many people cut corners in the initial planning only to run into problems later. I can't wait to see everything when you end up getting it :D

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Switching over water will do nothing. You're better off taking a sponge or filter floss from your current tank or some bio media nad putting it in the new tank. Water contains almost no bacteria. Taking a sponge and squeezing it in with give loads.

The ADA is going to leech ammonia for anywhere from 2-6weeks, so that will provide an ammonia source for the filter but jump starting with filter media from your other filter will help.
i dunno man, i've heard of water having bacteria in it in some circumstances :p
 

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Ooops. Look like I have to wait more. Too many good things from ADA, the only problem is the ammonia. Don't have any No3 test kit yet.
How can people in my country can release shrimp the next day and still got no problem??? I mean those master shrimper.

Another update: Mosura products in my mail.
I got this box in my mail this afternoon. Some shrimp food, water additive, also a little cute shrimp net.


I choose Mosura series for food.


Mineral rock from Borneo Wild


And this shrimp net. So cute.



BTW, my scape. Wanna call it Halleluiah Mountain


Question: can you give me some feedback of breeding dance liquid? Which brand are you using, how is that? Thanks a lot.
 
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