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On another note, I just found out a simple CO2 system that I've decided to implement, the Nutrafin A7690 CO2. I'm planning to mix my own yeast after the pre-packaged ones are finished. I also don't know how I feel about the ladder CO2 diffuser. I might buy a glass diffuser instead.

Nutrafin A7690 CO2 Natural Plant System with CO2 Activator and Stabilizer: Amazon.ca: Pet Supplies
I haven't personally owned the nutrafin system but I have seen it used before. I actually have all the pieces to set up a DIY CO2 system and haven't set it up yet. The ladder doesn't seem all that effective and is kinda clunky but should work with the system. I would say its a good starting point if you don't feel ready to delve into pressurized CO2. Personally I feel like everyone should learn the process of setting up a lower tech tank in order to get the hang of plant growing. I am hoping to get a pressurized system up and running in the coming weeks after maintaining my 40 breeder without CO2 for a while now.
 

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I haven't personally owned the nutrafin system but I have seen it used before. I actually have all the pieces to set up a DIY CO2 system and haven't set it up yet. The ladder doesn't seem all that effective and is kinda clunky but should work with the system. I would say its a good starting point if you don't feel ready to delve into pressurized CO2. Personally I feel like everyone should learn the process of setting up a lower tech tank in order to get the hang of plant growing. I am hoping to get a pressurized system up and running in the coming weeks after maintaining my 40 breeder without CO2 for a while now.
If you want to save some money you can always make the diy system yourself. You can use gatorade bottles or 2liters, cut holes in the top and make the mixtures yourself.

Theres a lot of different ways to do it..

Diy co2
I've considered DIY systems as well. I feel like there are just too many things that can go wrong. I've seen some people add an extra generator to the nutrafin via a DIY 2L bottle. Will consider that down the road. For the time being, I'm hoping this nutrafin co2 setup will do the trick..

Once I understand the benefits and mechanics for a CO2 system better, I may consider going pressurized or doing a DIY system.
 

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So here's a quick update:

1) Planted a bit more dhg and got some java moss which I currently adhered to a broken ceramic pot. I haven't had a chance to find something proper to attach it to.

2) Bought some more plant nutrients. Now, I have Excel, Flourish and Potassium. Not sure if I'll need to get more but hopefully, this will suffice for the time being.

3) Got the Nutrafin Co2 System - decided not to use the ladder so I bought a glass diffuser and a check valve. I am hoping the glass diffuser will work. The person at the LFS told me that this diffuser normally only works on pressurized systems. I'm hoping he doesn't know what he's talking about because I've seen a person on this forum use a similar diffuser on his Co2 setup (which seems like an identical one that I am using). I am also not sure if the check valve will be adequate. I bought a simple one from Marina/Hagen. This check valve is meant for air pumps normally but I'm hoping it will work for Co2 as well. Given my current setup, I have to unfortunately place the co2 system underneath my tank and not at the same height level. So I'm really hoping this check valve works.

4) I think I have a general idea on how I want this planted setup to look. I will mostly stick with DHG, and hope that it carpets the entire tank eventually. I'm going to cut up some of my old driftwood and try to make tree trunks. On top of the tree trunks, I'll try to grow mosses of different kinds (java moss, pheonix moss). The overall look of the tank that I want to achieve is a forest aquascape. We'll see how the plan unfolds though = ) anyone have any ideas on how to cut up driftwood?

As always, here are some pictures:

 

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Love what you put together so far, we went with very similar equipment (20L, finnex, eheim, nutrafin).

Glad to see you got a glass diffuser, the ladder that comes with the nutrafin system is not good at diffusing and gets very dirty. I'm the guy you mention up above using the glass diffuser :), works like a charm with the nutrafin canister.
 

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I didn't realize that our equipment is so much alike until you mentioned it! haha.. I guess I'm just following a success story = )

I just set up the nutrafin co2 system with the glass diffuser today! so far, there's only a bit of co2 being released. = / It's been on for at least 10 hours now. Starting to wonder if my diffuser is too large?

this is the one that I got...

http://www.aquainspiration.com/nproductdetail.asp?PIN=CO&PNAME=up&PSIZE=cdvl&PTYPE=Diffuser Reactor


Love what you put together so far, we went with very similar equipment (20L, finnex, eheim, nutrafin).

Glad to see you got a glass diffuser, the ladder that comes with the nutrafin system is not good at diffusing and gets very dirty. I'm the guy you mention up above using the glass diffuser :), works like a charm with the nutrafin canister.
 

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I didn't realize that our equipment is so much alike until you mentioned it! haha.. I guess I'm just following a success story = )

I just set up the nutrafin co2 system with the glass diffuser today! so far, there's only a bit of co2 being released. = / It's been on for at least 10 hours now. Starting to wonder if my diffuser is too large?

this is the one that I got...

http://www.aquainspiration.com/nproductdetail.asp?PIN=CO&PNAME=up&PSIZE=cdvl&PTYPE=Diffuser Reactor

Wait for a few more hours, sometimes it takes a bit to get the proper pressure going.

If for some reason it doesn't work try mixing your own yeast/sugar combo, I've had better results with my own, sometimes those packets are expired.

If all else fails then maybe you need a smaller diffuser, I used a nano co2 diffuser I found on Amazon.



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So it's been 10 days since my last update and a lot has changed.

My co2 system is up and running although the co2 isn't diffusing as smoothly as I'd hoped. The entire ceramic isn't being utilized and co2 bubbles are only coming out of one section of the glass diffuser. The bubbles are also coming out periodically with approx. 1 sec pauses. I'm unsure what is causing this. My best guess is that the glass diffuser is too large or my check valve is restricting some of the flow. In either case, the Co2 system seems to be working since I see growth in my riccia including the bubbles at the end of the plants. The riccia is currently my favourite plant in my tank since it is flourishing more than any of the others.

As you can probably see, there are a ton more plants! I ended up buying a low-light plant package from someone in a local forum for $10CAD and there were more plants than I can fill in my tank. I ended up having to ziplock some of the moss I received because I had no other objects to tie the moss to and didn't want it floating around in the tank. Hopefully they survive in the ziplock bag which I kept relatively moist. If there's a better way to store the moss, I'm hoping that someone reading this thread can share.

The planted package I purchased came with Vallisneria americana (Tape grass), lacy java fern, java fern, pellia, fissidens/phoenix moss, java moss, flame moss, and wendtii crypts. In addition to adding the plants above to my 20gallon, I also added a piece of driftwood to tie some of the moss to.

With about 3 weeks in, my tank is fully stocked. I will definitely need to remove some of the plants as they start growing.

Future items that I'm looking forward to and considering:

1) My dwarf hair grass hasn't started carpetting. I am considering adding root tabs to hopefully speed that along. so far, my dhg looks pretty sad but I'm hoping they will start to flourish as well.

2) Algae has started to form and I'm hoping I can slow it down by leaving the lights on for lesser periods of time. In addition, I've removed the lid from my tank which has made maintenance alot easier. In retrospect, I really shouldn't have bought the glass lids in the first place especially since they cost quite a bit.

3) Water parameters are looking great and the tank is close to being cycled if not already cycled. Transferring water from my already established tanks at my parents' house 30km away has helped speed along the process. Ammonia levels are close to 0ppm, Nitrites are relatively low between 0 to 0.25ppm, and nitrates are close to 0ppm. Nitrates should be higher but my water test was done a day after a water change and plants are probably taken whatever nitrates are left in. Ph is sitting about 7.2.

4) Excited to put some fish in. I'm probably going to bring one of my BN plecos up from one of my cichlid tanks. In addition, I'm thinking about purchasing a pair of Apisto Agassizi cichlids... can't wait to add some inhabitants.

That was quite a long post... as always, here are some pictures:


 

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Drill larger holes in your spray bar... super easy fix to the flow issue.

As far as light hanging. Buy you a ~5$ picture kit from walmart (has cables and all) and drill two small holes in the light so you can screw in the small hooks (or epoxy some on there if you dont want to drill, just need something to tie the cables onto) Then hang it from the ceiling using the mounts in the kit. If the ceiling is too high. buy some small book shelf mounts and put them on the wall and hang it from those with the kit. This is cheap and holds plenty of weight. I have my 4x39w T5HO fixture/ a big PAR38 bulb and a diy led fixture i made all hung this way for aroun 3-4$ each.
 

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Tank is looking nice though. Good co2 will get that DHG spreading. Dont be afraid to trim it down and let it grow back... I feel that this made mine spread faster but that might all be in my head haha.

Also, look into getting a reactor... it will increase co2 diffusion a lot and that will help with flow as well.

Happy tanking!
 

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Tank is looking nice though. Good co2 will get that DHG spreading. Dont be afraid to trim it down and let it grow back... I feel that this made mine spread faster but that might all be in my head haha.

Also, look into getting a reactor... it will increase co2 diffusion a lot and that will help with flow as well.

Happy tanking!
thanks for the advice on the DHG! I just trimmed it a couple of days ago, so hopefully that will speed along the carpet..
 

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Excited about the progress thus far:

  • added livestock:
    • 3 Apistogramma Agassizis - Double Red (i'm hoping i got one male/two females) - still juvies and have not yet colored up - these will be my show fish when they reach adult size
    • 1 BN Pleco
    • 10 Cardinal Tetras
    • 2 Mystery Snails
  • added a cichlid cave and tied it with java moss
  • Co2 is still running although not as strong as initially - lasted alot longer than I anticipated (three weeks in)
here's an updated picture.
 

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I took a closer look at my cardinal tetras and spotted a few white spots! it's Ich!!! the cardinal tetras I purchased had ich. It's too bad that I didn't take a closer look at the store and i didn't have another tank to quarantine them. Now I'm stuck battling ich!!

good news is that it hasn't spread to my apistogrammas and the ich isn't that pervasive. I am currently trying to fight it the natural way by raising the temperature to 84 degrees. I don't really want to dose the blue stuff and i've had success in the past battling ich by simply raising the temperature. however, i've had an airpump in the past to substitute the lack of oxygen resulting from raising the temperature. Currently, i don't have an air pump in this tank so hoping that it doesn't stress the fish.

what's frustrating me a bit is that the fish and the plants (especially the moss) enjoy cooler temperature. So I hope that my plants survive the temperature hike.
 
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