13mm Lily Pipe for Mini-S dilemma Help!

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quark

Discussion Starter · May 9, 2014

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So I've searched high and low, and cannot for the life of me find what I want. Call me crazy, but I'm setting up a Mini-s tank with an Eheim 2213. Originally, i was going with Eheim 2211, but I've seen this filter in a mini-s and it's barely enough. With the addition of a rexgriggs co2 reactor, the flow will be to low, so I opted to the Eheim 2213.

Enter the world of 13mm lily pipes small enough for a mini-s. Ideally, I want something like this viv 10mm mini violet but in a 13mm version.

I just can't find anything, and debating about asking my local glass shop to blow me one, :eek5:

My requirements are:
1. Must provide surface agitation like what a lily pipe does, that little whirlpool to suck down the surface film.
2. Provide entire tank circulation without stirring up gravel.
3. not have to use reducers or buying a smaller filter (unless you really think 2213 is too much for mini-s)
4. smaller than these lily pipes I bought for my tank :eek5:

All suggestions are welcomed, thanks!!

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ThatGuyWithTheFish

· #2 · May 9, 2014

I have a 2211on my Mini M. It's more than enough flow.

frrok

· #3 · May 9, 2014

ThatGuyWithTheFish said:
I have a 2211on my Mini M. It's more than enough flow.

Ditto. 2213 is too much flow for a
Mini-s, IMO. If your set
on that filter maybe consider the lily pipe spin instead. It comes in 13mm. Viv has a version as well.

freph

· #4 · May 9, 2014

Agree with the above folks. Even on a Mini M, a 2211 is more than enough filtration. It will actually blow substrate around unless dialed back in the early stages.

quark

Discussion Starter · #5 · May 9, 2014

the Spin type is an option.

with regards to the filter size, I figure more is better. Also, I have to take into account that I have a rexrgiggs reactor. The reactor with 90 degree outlet and an increase of another 2 feet of water height, it slows the flow down. If I wasn't running the rexgriggs reactor, I would definitely just go with a 2211. Maybe I am crazy here going with a 2213.....:icon_mrgr

BeastMaster

· #6 · May 9, 2014

Have to agree, 2213 is too much filter for your set up. Luckly, you have double taps to throttle your flow. Good luck. :bounce:

quark

Discussion Starter · #7 · May 9, 2014

BeastMaster said:
Have to agree, 2213 is too much filter for your set up. Luckly, you have double taps to throttle your flow. Good luck. :bounce:

YES! Double taps FTW!!!
Which is why I'm trying to stick to this filter. So back to 13mm lily pipes for nano tanks......

I found a CalAqua Efflux F1, but can't find anywhere to purchase them. GLA is out of stock.

frrok

· #8 · May 9, 2014

quark said:
YES! Double taps FTW!!!

Which is why I'm trying to stick to this filter. So back to 13mm lily pipes for nano tanks......

I found a CalAqua Efflux F1, but can't find anywhere to purchase them. GLA is out of stock.

I have them, good choice. Very solid pieces. Strong glass. Fair warning, the funnel directs the flow downward towards the substrate. Hopefully, your roots are are established since it looks like you dry started. You can always raise then up a bit as well. I got mine from a fellow hobbyist on here... I knew GLA were out if stock. Bummer.

pwolfe

· #9 · May 9, 2014

I would look into gush's oBubble pipe. I used a 2213 on a 45f with a betta. I ran the filter at full blast and the betta could still hang out everywhere but DIRECTLY in front of the outflow without waving his fins.

quark

Discussion Starter · #10 · May 9, 2014

frrok said:
I have them, good choice. Very solid pieces. Strong glass. Fair warning, the funnel directs the flow downward towards the substrate. Hopefully, your roots are are established since it looks like you dry started. You can always raise then up a bit as well. I got mine from a fellow hobbyist on here... I knew GLA were out if stock. Bummer.

Damn, i was afraid of that downwards flow. I've never had HC carpet, but what I'd be worried about is when it is pearling, and the entire mat lifts. Ideally, flow going straight out would work, if only one of those mini jets had a flared end, that would be ideal and minimalist. Looked at the Gush ones, still looks quite large in size because of the bubble one....sigh..... Search continues, gonna seek out what my local glass blower can do, he does a bunch of tobacco water pipes and stuff....:tongue:

Keep em coming! thanks.

dbot

· #11 · May 14, 2014

questions for you guys: why lily spin with 2213? is that because it slows down flow that much? I'm using a spin on a 60F and I dont think it's enough flow. What are your thoughts?

quark

Discussion Starter · #12 · May 14, 2014

I hear the spin ones creates more of a chaos type flow, and yes, it has been recommended for my mini-s twice now with an Eheim 2213. I am a bit hesitant about it though, if they don't create much flow, I would think that the pickup tube would have to be on the other end of the tank in order to get any decent circulation in the tank. Excellent water circulation is something I wanted to achieve, as well as large water capacity. Hence why I went with Eheim 2213, vs the normal Eheim 2211 that people run on the Mini-s.

freph

· #13 · May 14, 2014

The spin has the benefit of not blowing stems around if it's a heavily stemmed Mini tank. Using something like an Eheim 2211, the straight flow pipe might do some pretty good stem blasting if it's positioned just right. Let's not talk about a 2213. The 2213 would probably do decently with something like the violet glass or the spin, though.

Aquascape Depot

· #14 · May 15, 2014

dbot said:
questions for you guys: why lily spin with 2213? is that because it slows down flow that much? I'm using a spin on a 60F and I dont think it's enough flow. What are your thoughts?

It creates a calmer flow environment - there is still sufficient amount of circulation especially with a 2213. it still will push around 70-100GPH. Having said that, it does create somewhat of a awkward flow. So the problem with "dead spots" and trying to position your pipe to eliminate them with a spin pipe is somewhat difficult.

Here is a demo of VIV Mini Spin pipe from Sevenports in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AYqQEkA3MQ

quark

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jul 23, 2014

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Just an update, I couldn't find any still, my local glass blower didn't call me back, so I ended up making some myself. Still went with a 2213 for my mini-s. Admittedly, with the stock hoses and the jet style outlet, it was quite strong with inhabitants. Once I put on the Lily pipe, it was perfect as it does diffuse the flow a bit. I couldn't be happier with going with a 2213 on a Mini-s. Keep in mind folks, I have the filter below my tank, and going through a co2 reactor, which does add a bit of head. They came out pretty good, considering they were my first set.

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Dantrasy

· #16 · Jul 23, 2014

I like threads with surprise endings. where to buy turned into diy.

Great job. They suit the tank to a tee.

nice hc btw.

quark

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jul 23, 2014

hehe, yep. I remember I started this thread and thought about those who may be in my situation, that all hope is not lost, just need to make it yourself. :red_mouth

I do need to remake my outlet though, its a bit too tall. It sits about an inch or two above the tank just to get some surface movement.

Thanks for the compliments.

6Speed

· #18 · Oct 6, 2015

quark said:
hehe, yep. I remember I started this thread and thought about those who may be in my situation, that all hope is not lost, just need to make it yourself. :red_mouth

I do need to remake my outlet though, its a bit too tall. It sits about an inch or two above the tank just to get some surface movement.

Thanks for the compliments.

Forgive me for dragging up an old post, but how did you make the pipes?

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