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I just started my 12 gallon after looking at this thread for a long time. I am going to start a journal soon, but I wanted to get it out on the 12 long thread first.

I am using 3 architecture lamps with standard cf bulbs for now. The plants seem to be growing well, but the glosso carpet seems like it only wants to grow up instead of across. I also have a DIY CO2 system. I plan on upgrading in a couple of weeks to pressurized CO2 and more plant friendly lighting. Feedback/ suggestions would be appreciated!




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I just started my 12 gallon after looking at this thread for a long time. I am going to start a journal soon, but I wanted to get it out on the 12 long thread first.

I am using 3 architecture lamps with standard cf bulbs for now. The plants seem to be growing well, but the glosso carpet seems like it only wants to grow up instead of across. I also have a DIY CO2 system. I plan on upgrading in a couple of weeks to pressurized CO2 and more plant friendly lighting. Feedback/ suggestions would be appreciated!




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Do you know the temp of the lights? Are they 6500k and what wattage are they?
 

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3 26w 6500k is definitely where you want to be :)

My tank is still going but I think it's time for a new scape. This is what it looks like now.
Down bellow shot
Kai808, That is one insane and jaw dropping scape. its just plain out ridiculous!
 

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I just started my 12 gallon after looking at this thread for a long time. I am going to start a journal soon, but I wanted to get it out on the 12 long thread first.

I am using 3 architecture lamps with standard cf bulbs for now. The plants seem to be growing well, but the glosso carpet seems like it only wants to grow up instead of across. I also have a DIY CO2 system. I plan on upgrading in a couple of weeks to pressurized CO2 and more plant friendly lighting. Feedback/ suggestions would be appreciated!




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Your tank is looking real nice, good work. If the glosso is growing up, that means it's reaching for light. While you're waiting on upgrading, try lowering the lights. If lowering them is enough, maybe spend that money on a good regulator and co2 tank. I know its a lot of money up front, but it saves a ton of money in the long run and gives you complete control over your tank's CO2.
 

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3 26w 6500k is definitely where you want to be :)



Kai808, That is one insane and jaw dropping scape. its just plain out ridiculous!
Thanks Man!

Your tank is looking real nice, good work. If the glosso is growing up, that means it's reaching for light. While you're waiting on upgrading, try lowering the lights. If lowering them is enough, maybe spend that money on a good regulator and co2 tank. I know its a lot of money up front, but it saves a ton of money in the long run and gives you complete control over your tank's CO2.
+1 I would try lowering the lights. I had 2 26 watt cfl's in 8" reflectors directly on the tank and was able to grow HC. But mine was also a dry-start which could also explain my growth using those lights.
 

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Thanks Man!



+1 I would try lowering the lights. I had 2 26 watt cfl's in 8" reflectors directly on the tank and was able to grow HC. But mine was also a dry-start which could also explain my growth using those lights.
Thanks for the advice! What kind of reflectors did you use? I am wondering I need something better than the plastic black reflectors. I did lower my lights - looking forward to see how it goes. I also have my pressurized CO2 system coming this Tuesday. I going to try EI dosing with the higher CO2. I'm hoping it will really start to fill in my tanks.


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Thanks for the advice! What kind of reflectors did you use? I am wondering I need something better than the plastic black reflectors. I did lower my lights - looking forward to see how it goes. I also have my pressurized CO2 system coming this Tuesday. I going to try EI dosing with the higher CO2. I'm hoping it will really start to fill in my tanks.


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I used the ones like these.



maybe they were bigger that 8" probably 12".
 

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just an FYI the spiral compacts actually put out more light when horizontal since most of the light comes from the sides of the bulb vs the end. That's the onlly problem with these bulbs.
 

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just an FYI the spiral compacts actually put out more light when horizontal since most of the light comes from the sides of the bulb vs the end. That's the onlly problem with these bulbs.
I'm not sure if it's the reflector but I always thought it was the vertical that put out more par. I know it's an old thread in the sticky of the lighting sub forum. But did someone post new par data?

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85667

Follow-Up: Household CF Bulbs, Growing HC, and Non-CO2...

I wanted to follow up to this thread to share some more ideas on lighting with household CF bulbs. AirSong originally had posted asking how much light she should use to light her 2.5gal non-CO2 tank... She was interested in growing HC or other carpeting plants. To her, I answered that she would probably need more than 15 watts. I didn't want to leave it at that however. I set out to investigate and find the right answer. As such, I duplicated her setup: tank size, fixture type, water depth, distance of light from the water, etc... and then took some measurements.

The answer is that you can use anything from 14 watts to 27 watts, and beyond. It all depends on how you set it up...

I personally believe that many hobbyists underestimate the need to accurately quantify their light - especially when they are plagued by unexplained algae or dying plants. The growth in non-CO2 tanks is quite slow and getting feedback takes too long. It's good to know from the start that your lighting is in a good range, so you can eliminate it as a variable if your tank is "less than desirable".

As I discovered, these CF bulbs (14-23 watts) seem fairly tame, but how you use them can mean the difference of not having enough light, and having way too much. And believe it or not, that difference can manifest itself just by moving the light up or down a few inches.

I created a several slides to show what I'm talking about. I hope this will help illustrate how things like reflector type and distance make a big difference, and can't be overlooked - it is also the reason one person's success with a particular bulb may not be your success.

(Hopefully, you've turned off that pesky "image resize" in your user preferences - if not, make sure to unscale for readability. )


Diagram1 - Household CF Bulbs

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Diagram2 - Measuring Household CF Bulbs

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Diagram3 - 19W, 5500K Example

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Diagram4 - Does Color Temperature Matter?

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Diagram5 - 23 Watt Extremes

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Diagram6 - Reflector & Orientation

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Diagram7 - 14 Watt Example

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Cheers!
 

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Hi,
I'm Italian and I really like Mr Aqua 12G tank but I can't find a dealer in Italy or a site that ship it to Italy.

Could someone know a site that ship it worldwide or could someone buy it for me and ship to Italy?
Of course I'll give him a reward...

I need your help :icon_bigg
 

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Hi,
I'm Italian and I really like Mr Aqua 12G tank but I can't find a dealer in Italy or a site that ship it to Italy.

Could someone know a site that ship it worldwide or could someone buy it for me and ship to Italy?
Of course I'll give him a reward...

I need your help :icon_bigg

I would suggest pog over in the SevenPorts page as they are the US importer of Mr. Aqua tanks.

http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=177
 

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Wow, that chart with the cfl was really helpfully. I decided to line my lights with aluminum foil to try and use more of the bulb's light. It seems to definitely make them brighter. The two on the end have foil and the one in the middle does not. It doesn't show as much in the photo, but it might be a good substitute till I upgrade lighting.





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i wonder if "MsNemoShrimp" still has that tank set up or not. Haven't seen pics in forever, maybe her or her Boyfriend Andrew can put some new pics up.
 
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