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Any guesses as to why your tank needs so much P since normal EI levels are only about 3ppm?
Well..if youre comparing it to standard EI, which is 1.3 ppm 3x per week, for a total of 3.9 - along with 50% water changes, you will eventually be rolling with close to 8 in the water due to accumulation. I change nearly all the water and go back with 9. So its not as much as it sounds like when you factor in wc volume
 

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I'm guessing the new toy is an RO unit....finally! :)

Tanks look great as always
Haha, thanks man. New toy is the 75p. I have too many tanks to mess with RO...couldnt afford the water bill lol
Do you mind sharing the rest of your micro recipe? I've been using the same recipe for last 2 years but am always looking to tweak it
Fa sho. Probably a little more Fe now relative to everything else

Fe DTPA - .13
Fe gluc - .04
Mn - .029
B - .027
Zn - .025
Cu - .0022
Mo - .0011
Ni - .00012 (optional)

I dose that 3x week, first one right after wc. Have done half daily. Cant really tell a difference but doing these big wc I like going back with a bigger dose right after
 

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Yeah I would say that's presentable, :D

Question, on the Rotala SG, I bought this plant a little while back and it's the only thing I have struggling somewhat. I'm using tap, inert and have a KH of 4.
I remembered we have similar water from when I bought those nice shrimp from you a few months ago. They're in the actual Dutch btw. I threw 10 more fire reds from a different source in there to tighten up the bloodline...done had a few babies :)

I use straight tap with KH ~5, these are in sand but it grows about the same in soil. It can be a finicky plant, quick to stunt if it doesnt like something. On any given day I probably have 1 out of 9-10 that is stunted. Thats about as good as I can grow it and I just pinch those off and let new side branches come in. Dont show them in pics and dont sell them, lol. Thats how I solve it!

Now if yours are doing worse, say 50% or more stunted...idk. Probably needs a little more something. In my set ups it tends to balk at too little, not too much

Either way its not your KH or inert sub. Clean tank and good co2, Im sure you have that too. Light I run about 120-130 uMol at the sub, no idea what it would do under more or less
 

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I remembered we have similar water from when I bought those nice shrimp from you a few months ago. They're in the actual Dutch btw. I threw 10 more fire reds from a different source in there to tighten up the bloodline...done had a few babies :)

I use straight tap with KH ~5, these are in sand but it grows about the same in soil. It can be a finicky plant, quick to stunt if it doesnt like something. On any given day I probably have 1 out of 9-10 that is stunted. Thats about as good as I can grow it and I just pinch those off and let new side branches come in. Dont show them in pics and dont sell them, lol. Thats how I solve it!

Now if yours are doing worse, say 50% or more stunted...idk. Probably needs a little more something. In my set ups it tends to balk at too little, not too much

Either way its not your KH or inert sub. Clean tank and good co2, Im sure you have that too. Light I run about 120-130 uMol at the sub, no idea what it would do under more or less
how long did it take your samo red to look big and send runners?
 

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I remembered we have similar water from when I bought those nice shrimp from you a few months ago. They're in the actual Dutch btw. I threw 10 more fire reds from a different source in there to tighten up the bloodline...done had a few babies :)

I use straight tap with KH ~5, these are in sand but it grows about the same in soil. It can be a finicky plant, quick to stunt if it doesnt like something. On any given day I probably have 1 out of 9-10 that is stunted. Thats about as good as I can grow it and I just pinch those off and let new side branches come in. Dont show them in pics and dont sell them, lol. Thats how I solve it!

Now if yours are doing worse, say 50% or more stunted...idk. Probably needs a little more something. In my set ups it tends to balk at too little, not too much

Either way its not your KH or inert sub. Clean tank and good co2, Im sure you have that too. Light I run about 120-130 uMol at the sub, no idea what it would do under more or less
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Glad the shrimplets are doing well for you!

Yep, your right our water parameters are close and thanks much for confirming it's not the KH and the inert base. For some reason I can't get Vin's Rotala Kill info out of my head with the high KH/EI. I haven't purchased that many SG variants so wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something there. Since I posted, I increased my co2 a bit and things are looking better. One in 10 stunted isn't bad, I was running more like 5 in 10, but I won't post them either :D

Thanks again!
 

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how long did it take your samo red to look big and send runners?
Its relatively fast for a rosette. A young juvenile plant will be pretty fat in a month. It doesnt really send runners, not like Nymphaea sp, etc. New babies come from the main base, more like a Crypt or Compact Hygro. When they start getting too thick I pull them up and pare the babies off then replant

Now.. I have had it throw a 4"-5" runner up in mid air with a new baby on it, kinda like a sword plant does. But thats only happened once or twice. Normally they just make new ones from the base.
 

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Joe, sorry if there is a discussion somewhere else about your AGA tank, I can't find it. Anyway, I think your submission is awesome. It reminds me of the old pictures of Dutch tanks with the varying leaf shapes and subtle colors. It's really well done. Have to say I'm surprised you didn't win this one.
 

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Joe, sorry if there is a discussion somewhere else about your AGA tank, I can't find it. Anyway, I think your submission is awesome. It reminds me of the old pictures of Dutch tanks with the varying leaf shapes and subtle colors. It's really well done. Have to say I'm surprised you didn't win this one.
Hey Ben, thanks man! It needed a couple more weeks, they always do lol. Both back corners up high are bare, and the Rotala SG/Limno hipp shouldve been one big red group. But the plan came together alright. The guy that won 1st had a better Dutch, no question about it

Here's some pics






Link to the entry page - #636: 144L Dutch Aquascape “Sunset Dreamin'”
 

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Gorgeous tank, Joe, and I can't imagine the time and effort that went into this beauty....congrats!

I just read the plant lineup here and had not heard of Rotala serpyllifolia before....looks like another one to add to the wish list...
Thanks Greg! Serpyllifolia is extremely difficult, one of the hardest plants in the hobby. Melts on most people. Idk what it even likes but it tends to do well in my set ups. Like Vin said in the judges comments, it really doesnt add anything to the scape. It actually takes away from overall scoring because its one more species when Im over the limit already, and just another unnecessary red plant. Truth is I just wanted to register a scape with it. Flexing as Vin called it lol

My vanity knows no bounds..
 

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Awesome tank Joe. The lobelia cardinalis I bought from you is quickly become my favorite plant. It seems bulletproof, grows fairly slowly, and works great for mid/foreground like in your setup.

Like Asteroid I am also seeing the rotala SG stunt on me in some instances. Some stems are doing excellent while others are totally failing. It is definitely my "indicator plant" and will stunt easily when things are a bit off. I am still figuring it out but so far so good with the progress
 

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what ype of filter are you running for a monster tank like this? I feel like my sunsun 525gph is weak with my co2 reactor on my 75gal
Its a 75 gal and Im running one of that same filter, atomizer for co2. It really depends on how restrictive the reactor is. I wouldnt want any less flow
 
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