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20ish days without an update...
Gonna need more popcorn, LOL. Hope everything is going ok and you are just waiting for the big reveal.
Its been an eventful 3 weeks, to say the least

To begin with, the 10 gal sprung a leak. Yes, that 10 gal, the brand new one I just replaced the other one with a few months ago, which I cracked by slamming it with a bucket of water.

This sparked a chain of events that culminated with the 75 going back up.

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Using the previous 4 bulb T5 unit, around 100 PAR at the substrate.

Made a new 3"x24"" PVC reactor just like the one on here. Had to buy a new filter, went with a SunSun 704B, which is apparently the 2016 version of the 304B, has the skimmer, UV and all that, sturdier casing. Its pretty nice, dead silent as usual.

Blasting sand sub, basically the same set up as all the rest.

It went in place of the 20 long. So now in the back room I have the 75 and the 50. Gone are the 20 and 10.

Maintenance is a lot easier now w/o all those HOB filters. And I can use the big siphon hose to drain and fill so no more toting buckets. It only took three for the 20 and 10 but still a pain in the ass. Should've done this a long time ago.

The 120

Moss walls are growing out nice. About ready to trim the right side and fill in some empty spaces.

This stuff pearls like crazy, I wasnt expecting that.





Re-did the stump...again. I hated to re-start the Fissidens so soon but it had to be done. Hopefully it takes off with a quickness.

Replaced the H araguaia with Penthorum sediodes. Added a Barclaya (thanks Vin). Gone are the Erio lineare and AR variegated. Might bring the AR back if I can find a good spot for it.

Stem groups are still a jumbled mess but I have a plan finally. Tomorrow's water change will do some trimming and re-arranging

Here's two fts, such as it is, taken a few days apart. See if you can tell the difference before I explain it. :)






The difference is I changed out a bulb in the bottom pic. Better colors now, right?

All this moss cast a heavy green tint on everything and I wasnt really diggging it. Played around with a few different bulbs, a blue actinic finally did the trick.

I ran one on the 75 for a few months in conjunction with the 3000K. Those two are a dramatic combo, excellent compliment to one another. The ATI purple sorta does the same as the blue, but all this extra green needed a heavier punch.

Here it is now. Front to back

Trulumen Flora
Zoo-med 420 actinic blue
Plantmax 3000K
Agrobrite 6400K
ATI purple
Zoo-med Flora



Generally you want the reds in front and blues in back for a better depth effect. But I wanted a heavy blue next to the 3000K to off-set some of that yellow shining down on the moss sides.

Fert update

3 weeks at .075 Fe 3x. The previously mentioned symptoms of overdosing at .12 and .1 are probably...75% gone now. But its still too much.

The little tufts of BBA that appeared on the substrate is gone. GDA on the glass is hardly any by the weeks end. At .1 is was pretty bad already by mid-week. GDA is usually associated with excessive macros, specifically ammonia, but too much Fe can trigger it too. Ive seen this movie a few times before.

Lingering plant symptoms are minor. Rotala indica is still abnormally dark, not bright and pretty like its supposed to be.

Persicaria pink and sao paulo leaves are still twisting. Which in this particular case is 100% due to an overdose of micros or Fe. Some may scoff at the notion, but just like curling AR, it happens like clockwork. Too much brings it on and lower levels fix it. Done it over and over again.

Other than a few nagging issues like that, everything else is doing pretty good. Rotala mac variegated and sunset are both fine.

Llimnophila belem is big with nice purple splotches. When this plant colors up right you know things are good for the most part.

Its not a tough plant to grow, nearly impossible to kill, but having good size and colors is another matter




Next step micro-wise is go down to .05 ppm Fe 3x per week and see what happens. Ive tweaked the ratios a bit, more B and Zn, less Mo, and now adding a dash of Cu. Roughly a Marschner ratio now, which it was pretty close to before.
 

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120 Gal Dutchy Freestyle - Now with 50% more Dutch!

Fantastic update Burr! Terrific tank, as always. And I am sorry about what happened.

Amazing how we both are going toward the same kind of trace dosing, I also plan to cut that of 1/3 for the next upcoming 2 weeks... similar problems like yours, just updated my journal about all this. Keep us posted! Thank you!
 

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Thanks guys

And so it begins...

Started on the right. Topped/replanted the B colorata, swapped places with the Myrio and mini aromatica




Center brace comes in handy for laying out stems in order of height.






Moving right along, got the Downoi replanted, sp red yanked




These Downoi are a lot bigger than they look underwater




I remember when Pikez first got this Hygrophila odora. Posted a pic of a nice little group about 3-4 inches tall. I was like, aawww, how cute, wonder if it stays small like that?

Yeah, that would be a no




Done for now





Still undecided about the whole back left area, will sort that out next water change, along with the Oldenlandia and Rotala indica. Those two are where they're gonna be, just need to be trimmed and the groups shaped up.

Might need something between the L aromatica mini and the Bacopa, no idea what though. Might be OK as the aromatica gets taller, and maybe bring some shorter Bacopa on down. Not sure about that spot

Just gonna ponder things for a few days and let some ideas come to mind, try to get everything set by next WC.

 

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I am hoping to get a 75 going in the fall, and I have started getting stuff together to set it up. I was at my dad's today 2 hours away, and finally was close to a Tractor Supply for the Black Diamond blasting sand. Attached are how the bags were marked. WTH? It wasn't very helpful. I assumed the top one was 20/40, but I didn't want to buy a bunch and be screwed. It was very frustrating. I could feel the grit through the bag, and the one I thought was 20/40 had a hole, so I could actually get some out of the bag, but it seemed much too tiny. The bags seemed small too. Not what I was expecting.

So Burr, or anyone, next time you have your arm in your tank, can you get some up on your finger and snap a quick phone pic so I can see how big it is in case I run into this the next time? Thanks in advance.

BTW Burr, I think you are up to 75% more Dutch with these last pics. You have the streets, the defined groups, different leaf shapes, focal point, and the coalesce on the sides.



 

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@Ben Belton Thanks man, I feel like it's getting there.

The top pic is 20/40, it's what I and most folks have. If my local store ever had the courser version I'd try that, but Ive never seen it.

The 20/40 works great, and yeah it can seem fine on your fingers.

50 lb bags, not as big as expected. Think I used 2 1/2 on my 75 the first time, might've been less than two, I dont remember exactly. This last time I already had the sand, so not sure how many "bags" were involved.

For $8 you might as well buy three just to be on the safe side.
 

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Yeah, my issue was that the top one was marked 20/40, 16/30, and 12/40. While I ASSumed it was the 20/40 like you two say, you know what happens when you assume. :grin2:

There is a Tractor Supply closer to me than 2 hours, but I haven't wanted to drive up after work when I'm dead. It might be that I can order the stuff online to be picked up at a certain store. That would work. I'll look into it.

Thanks for the replies.
 

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Yeah, my issue was that the top one was marked 20/40, 16/30, and 12/40. While I ASSumed it was the 20/40 like you two say, you know what happens when you assume. :grin2:

There is a Tractor Supply closer to me than 2 hours, but I haven't wanted to drive up after work when I'm dead. It might be that I can order the stuff online to be picked up at a certain store. That would work. I'll look into it.

Thanks for the replies.
I ordered BDBS into our TCS store, however I didn't realize there were different grades :surprise: Doh!
Burr you are a genius in everything you do. Jaw dropping beautiful aquascapes
 

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Burr is there something you recommend that will grow tall and replace the ludwigia ovalis? The lower leaves are dropping and it just looks scraggly. It's in the highest light area of the tank and get root tabs, ferts, and pressurized C02. I like the Bacopa Caroliniana. Is pogo Kimberly a good one?? Something that grows straight and doesn't drop lower leaves?? It's in between windolev java ferns and bolbitus. I figure you've probably tried most plants.
 

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Burr is there something you recommend that will grow tall and replace the ludwigia ovalis? The lower leaves are dropping and it just looks scraggly. It's in the highest light area of the tank and get root tabs, ferts, and pressurized C02. I like the Bacopa Caroliniana. Is pogo Kimberly a good one?? Something that grows straight and doesn't drop lower leaves?? It's in between windolev java ferns and bolbitus. I figure you've probably tried most plants.
P kimberly grows straight but it'll drop lower leaves in a heartbeat if something isnt right.

What you're experiencing is an unhappy plant problem, not a species issue. Best thing would be to figure out why the ovalis is dropping leaves.
 

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P kimberly grows straight but it'll drop lower leaves in a heartbeat if something isnt right.

What you're experiencing is an unhappy plant problem, not a species issue. Best thing would be to figure out why the ovalis is dropping leaves.
The lower leaves on my Pogo Kimberley get a little cruddy or pinholed occasionally. But leaf-shedding has never been an issue in the last year or so that I've kept it.

Generally, during pre-EI era, leaf shedding was considered a reliable macro deficiency. There was no need to question it. We live in a post-EI era where no one really has deficiencies anymore. The old websites with their deficiency symptoms are misleading. We need a completely revised trouble-shooting symptom list, starting with 'Pinholes no longer a reliable indicator of K deficiency.'
 

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The lower leaves on my Pogo Kimberley get a little cruddy or pinholed occasionally. But leaf-shedding has never been an issue in the last year or so that I've kept it.

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Mine frequently shed bottom leaves, there's been 8-10" of bare stem sometimes up to a pretty nice looking top.

Remember the last "micro incident" a few months ago, the one that sparked the whole rolling my own thing?

Kimberlys took a hit. The tops recovered, but ALL the bottom leaves dropped over the next few weeks.

These right here, looks like a shadow in the pic but those stems are completely bare!

 
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