Much better ... But... here we have yet another new page that is severely lacking on the picture frontMight as well look at some pics while waiting on the ferts to come in. :bounce:
How's that for pics @Sean W. !? :red_mouth
Hey Fab - just reading and watching with an open mind and a hint of skepticism.
Mind you, I have not dismissed trace tox as hog wash either. Toxicity is a neutral subject with no emotional baggage in terrestrial horticulture. Proponents of aquarium trace tox have polarized the issue, so we have denialists who are equally dug in. This does not advance our hobby. An open mind and a collective willingness to experiment will get us there. I absolutely LOVE the fact that so many of us are willing to tweak, experiment and roll our own ferts to see what works. Even if these are not all perfectly controlled experiments, if hordes of n=1 anecdotes all begin pointing in a general direction, we have something.
Having played around with my 'Kill Tank' for almost a year, I know that plants look crappy for several reasons. Too much traces is just one reason. CSM+B is a heavy-handed industrial product with a potentially dicey chelator. I can theoretically see it causing problems for people with inert substrates and high degassed pH. The same dose may be far less harmful with aquasoil and pH of 5.5.
For most people, EDTA is not going to cause issues because of the dose at which it is administered and the regular water changes we all do. EDTA is not villian du jour. But Zorfox definitely has an excellent point/s. FWIW, rolling your own traces is easy enough to do (thanks to Rotalabutterfly) that we can easily try it and share results here soon enough.
In my Dutch tank, I am going to continue dosing my 3X Burr traces - CSM+B boosted with Fe DTPA and MnSO4. CSM+B is light in the blend, delivering only 0.045 ppm Fe every other day. Tank seems to be doing well.
I went up to around .012 Fe from csmb almost immediately, so yeah about 3 weeks ago, whenever it was.Wow Burr, your plants look great! Did you keep your usual 0.01 ppm Fe from CSM for the past 2 weeks or you already increased that? Curious....
Responded to you here: Going Dutch with Aquasoil - Aquarium Plants - Barr ReportThanks Vin for the extensive reply, I am willing to keep experimenting as well, mostly motivated by the fact some of my plants are still not great, so... I am motivated to try new things until I find the right recipe. So, I am open to any new idea that could help me to find the best one!
As for your current dosing in your Dutch tank, I am curious to know why you are adding extra Mn? How much of it?
Thanks all ^^
I went up to around .012 Fe from csmb almost immediately, so yeah about 3 weeks ago, whenever it was.
DTPA has been .02 on micro days, and several .01s on macro days. Nothing exact and for no particular reason. Did the extra dose a couple times on a whim, everything seemed happy so I kept doing it.
The increase in Fe has definitely seemed to help things. Think it was previously a little low.
This still doesnt explain what happened a few weeks ago, why the sudden increase caused a few plants to freak instead of just getting better, as one would expect.
Which is another reason I want to find out if the whole EDTA thing is relevant somehow. That, and the fact that micros have always been so wonky for me.
In theory, it makes a lot of sense and would certainly explain a few things.
Lol, it still cracks me up whenever somebody refers to the burr method. It seems to be taking a life of it's own now.I move that we create a new standard unit for micro dosing; the Burr. I will bring it before the Planted Aquarium Committee of Weights and Measures and see what they say.
Couldnt help but laugh at this post too. If this was a drinking game and the key word was burr Id be drunk as hell right now!Responded to you here: Going Dutch with Aquasoil - Aquarium Plants - Barr Report
Thanks man. Thats Pogosteman kimberly. Similar to aromatica but twice as big, and more of an olive green/purple colorLooks amazing dude. I love water change shots from above. I that L. Aromatica in the back right? I have been looking for that for a while now...
Will do.Well... I guess THAT will be replacing my spot planned for Aromatica! Please let me know when you do a trim or add me to your waiting list??